Jackie Butler: Will The Knicks Match? (3-year, $7M)

[ro_50]

You know what, this could be a bluff move by the Spurs.

They offer Jackie Butler a offer sheet knowing the Knicks could match, and then turn around and w/ half of the MLE left, offer it to someone like Trevor Ariza or a young wing.

The Knicks are one of the teams Ariza is interested in but that would take them out of the running by matching for Butler.

I dont know, just a thought.

[Mr. Body]

It all comes down to Jerome James. Without that awful signing last summer, the Spurs wouldn't even be trying this. He's 31, fat, lazy, and has shown nothing more than an affection for garbage bags and one good series (ironicallly) against the Spurs.

If New York feels they can get him playing well enough to trade him, then they'll keep Butler.

If they decide to eat James's salary in some way, stashing him deep on the bench, then it's more likely they keep Butler.

I can't imagine what's Dolan's mind set on this, but know they're in meetings about it now.

[ChumpDumper]

His good series was against the Kings.

[Mr. Body]

You know what, this could be a bluff move by the Spurs.

They offer Jackie Butler a offer sheet knowing the Knicks could match, and then turn around and w/ half of the MLE left, offer it to someone like Trevor Ariza or a young wing.

The Knicks are one of the teams Ariza is interested in but that would take them out of the running by matching for Butler.

I dont know, just a thought.

I personally would love Ariza, but there's no indication Pop wants him. Ariza might be a plan-B with the money, but I don't doubt Butler is the guy they really want.

[Mr. Body]

His good series was against the Kings.

Then I'm mistaken. I have memories of lots of pick-and-rolls for monster dunks against us. I'd say he actually had a good postseason all around, including versus us.

[jman3000]

It all comes down to Jerome James. Without that awful signing last summer, the Spurs wouldn't even be trying this. He's 31, fat, lazy, and has shown nothing more than an affection for garbage bags and one good series (ironicallly) against the Spurs.

If New York feels they can get him playing well enough to trade him, then they'll keep Butler.

If they decide to eat James's salary in some way, stashing him deep on the bench, then it's more likely they keep Butler.

I can't imagine what's Dolan's mind set on this, but know they're in meetings about it now.

I would say his 1 good series was against the Kings just prior to the Spurs... Brad Miller made him look like Shaq.

[ChumpDumper]

He did have some dunks, but he never donned the garbage bag.

[jman3000]

That performance had 1 hit wonder written all over it. I still can't believe the Knicks gave him that contract ... the dude was a scrub his entire life and he has 1 good series and they open up the purse for him. It's why the Knicks are #1.

[benjirh]

I really want Butler. But before we get too hyped about him being our next savior at the 5 lets remember a few things:

1. He played more than 20 mins in a whopping 11 games. 7 of those came in April when neither the Knicks or Brown had anything to play for and 6 of them were blowouts.

2. He scored over 15 points twice(18 was his high), never had a double digit rebound game(9, three times), and blocked more than one shot only 6 times.

3. J O'neal was a known to have potential. He was drafted 17th out of HS. Butler has never had that kind of hype.

4. Butler has never started a game.

5. He had one hot week where he went for 13.5ppg, 8.0rpg, 65%fg, 26.5mpg in 4 games. The other 51 were 4.8ppg, 3.0rpg, 52%fg, 12.5mpg.

I am not saying I don't want him. But the contract we offered lines up perfectly with these numbers. I am tired of offering bloated contracts on big men. Nazr turned down a contract around the MLE and Butler is worth about half the MLE. And I am not sold that he would even be a starter. Maybe as the year went on.

[Mr. Body]

He did have some dunks, but he never donned the garbage bag.

1) They lost the series.

2) Rick Adelman "handed him the garbage bag," not Pop.

He was pretty good against us.

[Beer is Good]

I have to honestly say that I had absolutely no reason to watch the Knicks last year. None. So therefore I know absolutely nothing about Butler. Would someone who has watched him play and is at least somewhat knowledgeable of what he brings to the table please give an opinion of what he would bring to the Spurs? Is it at least reasonable to expect that he would be an upgrade over Nasho?

[ChumpDumper]

Jerome

vs. Kings: 17.2 pts, 9.4 reb, .581 FG

vs. Spurs: 8.5 pts, 4.7 reb, .427 FG

[Beer is Good]

Jerome

vs. Kings: 17.2 pts, 9.4 reb, .581 FG

vs. Spurs: 8.5 pts, 4.7 reb, .427 FG

The Kings series is where Kenny Smith kept referring to him as "Bill Russell". I guess Zeke took him seriously

[Mr. Body]

BIG-- I get to see Knicks games, living in New York.

The guy hustles. He seems to care about the game and is one of those guys who just plays hard. In a dismal situation, far out of the playoffs, he played hard, and it seemed not just for a contract. He has soft hands, a decent touch. He's really big but moves it pretty well. He could become a nice post scorer with the right tutors and he's a good rebounder. Seems to be a decent passer. I can't say much about his defense - not much on that team. He's foul prone. Could have weight problems. We didn't see a huge amount from him yet.

His ceiling is much higher than what Nasho gave us. I don't expect a star, but a solid longtime center is possible. The potential for 15/10/1 block.

[jman3000]

2 words: Brad Miller

[Beer is Good]

BIG-- I get to see Knicks games, living in New York.

The guy hustles. He seems to care about the game and is one of those guys who just plays hard. In a dismal situation, far out of the playoffs, he played hard, and it seemed not just for a contract. He has soft hands, a decent touch. He's really big but moves it pretty well. He could become a nice post scorer with the right tutors and he's a good rebounder. Seems to be a decent passer. I can't say much about his defense - not much on that team. He's foul prone. Could have weight problems. We didn't see a huge amount from him yet.

His ceiling is much higher than what Nasho gave us. I don't expect a star, but a solid longtime center is possible. The potential for 15/10/1 block.

Thanks for the evo... hopefully in the Spur's system he could be effective - if the Knicks don't match.

[Obstructed_View]

If the Spurs end up with Elson and Butler, plus getting out from under Rasho and Malik's contracts once and for all, throwing in Bonner and Williams, this is a pretty decent upgrade of the team AFAIC. The Spurs need guys in the center that go hard to the hoop and are capable of catching the ball on the high/lo from Duncan. Once they learn the defensive system all you need is that they get a few rebounds and don't foul out.

[violentkitten]

If the Spurs end up with Elson and Butler, plus getting out from under Rasho and Malik's contracts once and for all, throwing in Bonner and Williams, this is a pretty decent upgrade of the team AFAIC. The Spurs need guys in the center that go hard to the hoop and are capable of catching the ball on the high/lo from Duncan. Once they learn the defensive system all you need is that they get a few rebounds and don't foul out.

youre kidding yourself. at best the spurs draw elson. worst offseason of the duncan era.

[baseline bum]

youre kidding yourself. at best the spurs draw elson. worst offseason of the duncan era.

I don't know. As bad as it looks, I still can't see it being worse than the Chucky Brown & Samaki Walker offseason of '99.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Did anyone else come in with Cherokee Parks?

[Obstructed_View]

youre kidding yourself. at best the spurs draw elson. worst offseason of the duncan era.

Whatever. The Spurs get basically the same caliber centers for less money, plus get another shooter, a backup defender and a third string PG with cartilage in his knees and two elbows. They get quicker and younger and stay under the cap, plus they retain the flexibility to bring in the draft picks later.

[Beer is Good]

Whatever. The Spurs get basically the same caliber centers for less money, plus get another shooter, a backup defender and a third string PG with cartilage in his knees and two elbows. They get quicker and younger and stay under the cap, plus they retain the flexibility to bring in the draft picks later.

I see the same thing. I don't know why our "instant gratification" buddies here have such a huge problem with this off season. There was nothing to go after this year, and Scola and Javtokas are not ready to contribute for the amount of money they would cost.

[SsKSpurs21]

i was wondering this...

if the spurs cannot find a center, and ian mahinmi does well in summer leagues, could they bring him in this year? just a thought.

[T Park]

still can't see it being worse than the Chucky Brown & Samaki Walker offseason of '99.

After failing to get Derek Fisher and Lamond Murray.

[T Park]

Theres another thread saying the Knicks MIGHT NOT match.


Still early stages of the RFA period, but could it happen???