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Better than Elson
I think if the Knicks match on Butler, Elson is the Spurs, then the Spurs go back to Javtokas and offer the rest of the MLE.
Think so Timvp?
Stealing a restricted free agent is probably the toughest thing to do in sports. That teams throws away money without remorse. Dolan has more money in his pockets at this second than Holt has in his bank account.
Is there any chance that the Knicks don't match? I'm going to say the chances are pretty slim. The Spurs have about a 20% chance I would guess.
Their only hope is that the Knicks look at their roster and realize that it's full.
R. Balkman
M. Collins
J. Crawford
E. Curry
S. Francis
C. Frye
J. James
D. Lee
S. Marbury
Q. Richardson
N. Robinson
J. Rose
M. Rose
M. Taylor
I. Udoka
So that is 14 players plus Ime Udoka. I'm not sure what the status of Udoka is, but it looks like the Knicks hold some type of rights to him. The obvious move for the Knicks would be to match on Butler and then just waive Udoka.
But matching on Butler would also mean that they lose Qyntel Woods and anyone else who they could get with the MLE. If the Knicks use the MLE on a player, then they'd be forced to waive a player like Malik Rose or Mo Taylor to sign Butler. That seems like too much money even for the Knicks.
Other things to consider is that Isiah Thomas got Eddy Curry and Jerome James to be his centers. He got those guys on his own. He's also on record as saying he didn't understand why Butler got playing time over James and Curry last year.
So perhaps a combination of a roster crunch and Isiah sticking with his two big money centers gives the Spurs a shot. It's not a great shot but it's a shot.
Better than Elson
I think if the Knicks match on Butler, Elson is the Spurs, then the Spurs go back to Javtokas and offer the rest of the MLE.
Think so Timvp?
Javtokas already took an offer in Greece.Better than Elson
I think if the Knicks match on Butler, Elson is the Spurs, then the Spurs go back to Javtokas and offer the rest of the MLE.
Think so Timvp?
I thought someone said the Spurs called him and asked him to hold on.
Thought I saw that in the Jacque Vaughn thread or Javtokas one.
i bet they offered him a 3 year deal (if they offered him a 2 year deal i am done with this team until there's an ownership change). a 3 year deal at $3.3 mil starting is akin to a high 1st round rookie contract in last month's draft (the 2nd overall is the closest).
The Knicks probably have about 3 trades they're negotiating right now, whether ultimately practicable or not. They're going to trade at some point for somebody. All they'll need to do is include an extra player in there and boom - open roster space.
Yeah a two-year contract would be matched. Their only chance is for a decent sized contract that is at least three years long.
Oh I didn't read that or hear it on the news.
Udoka is under contract with Knicks next year but his contract is no guaranteed (like Melvin Sanders or Noel Felix).
My guess is that it will depend on Jerome James shape.
Last year, he was so out of shape that he asked to be bench after few minutes of play.
I've heard too that Isiah Thomas will try to go after Ariza.
The Spurs need the Knicks to go out and snag a player with their MLE.
That would give the Spurs a much better shot.
Don't forget that their #3 center is their (i.e. Isiah's) top 10 draft pick from last year. They would be matching Butler to make him their fourth center.
Knowing Isiah, he'll match Butler for his trade possibilities in the future.
You match that contract Isiah and I kill you.
If Isiah go after a player, it should be a SF. They have tons of PG, SG, PF and if they want a C, they will re-sign Butler.
Knicks players that can play SF :
R. Balkman : rookie
D. Lee : more a PF than a SF
Q. Richardson : more a SG than a SF and injury prone
J. Rose : Quite old
this is vbookie material
They have to do it within seven days and cannot ever have more than 15 players under contract.
Most likely but we can pray.
If they were going to match anyone, you would think it would be Qyntel.
I don't know jack about Butler.
That was my first thought when I read the le.
supppodesly they backed out of a trade already
I think knicks are standing pat and not trading unless they get a great offer
thomas is out to prove how bad larry brown coached last year
I know. If anything, it makes him even more likely to pull the trigger on some nutzo Kenyon Martin trade. Jackie's his boy. Jackie will leave when he wants him to leave.
And Isiah is crazy. Trust me. I live in New York and he's always banging on the windows and scaring the kids.
At least we know the Spurs have some good info on Butler. Dell Demps found him and Pop probably called Larry Brown to ask about him.
Now we just need Isiah to cooperate.
nugget posted posted they backed out already on that trade....
is it 7 days AFTER they sign or when spurs offered them?
does anyone know if they signed them yet?
I heard they signed them. But I'm not sure, so don't take my word for it.
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