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[DarkReign]

+ The culture over there for the MOST part is not violent or barbaric. Now if you walk into a war zone (palestine/israel) of course there's going to be violence. There's violence in Pakistan in the border regions and in Kashmir, does that make India and Pakistant violent and barbaric? I hope not, because the US has strong ties with both.

+ Women being put to death because they're raped? Not that I know of. If it happens in some backward areas, then that's another story. Lynchings still occur in areas of the south. What's your point?

Lynchings do not occur anymore. Youre grasping at straws. Backwards areas? It is estimated that in Pakistan alone, in one area, that over 800 "honor killings" happened last year. That reported. How many unreported?

+ As for Israel's "line of thinking". They're economically advanced, and with it they rid themselves of certain customs they too had in the past. That's what happens...it happened in the US too. As your country matures/grows you begin to do things differently. Unfortunately, Palestine doesn't get Millions in aid every year from the US.

+ This year Israel is getting $2.04 billion in military aid and $720 million in economic aid there is only military aid. If Palestine got that much, the Jews would be the terrorists.

Now that I agree with. If Palestine were getting that help, yada yada. Seriously, I dont care about Israel. I am not jewish, I dont even know one person who is. I drove thru west Dearborn the other day and seen alot of Hasidic Jews, but thats it.

I dont know if you know, but Metro Detroit is the 2nd largest Arab population in the country (Los Angeles is 1st). Per capita, Detroit is #1 by far.

This whole Lebanon thing is dividing the community just north of Detroit (protests by both Jews and Arabs, as this offensive escalates, so will the protests). I have no love or hate for either.

Bottom line; Israel is an ally. Lebanon is not. Lebanon has a terrorist organization governing its southern region. Guilty.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

The Koran does not permit or sanction honor killings and religious leaders in Pakistan have on many occasions condemned Karo Kari and other honor killing rituals as "un-Islamic" and a "murder of humanity."

President Pervez Musharraf signed a bill last week making honor killing an explicit criminal act punishable by death.

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Yes honor killings occur, but no they're not accepted or encouraged. In fact they're illegal. Most the places they occur are in the small villages and countryside...where people still don't believe Epelepsy is a desease, rather it's a person being possessed by the devil.

[clambake]

Whether things are accepted or not has nothing to do with their reality of existance.

Palestinian aid was cut off for some reason. hmmmm can't remember why.

Until Israel is accepted as a soverign state with the right to exist, all of this is an exercise in futility.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Whether things are accepted or not has nothing to do with their reality of existance.

Palestinian aid was cut off for some reason. hmmmm can't remember why.

Until Israel is accepted as a soverign state with the right to exist, all of this is an exercise in futility.

Who made them a sovereign state with the right to exist?

[clambake]

Ohhhhhhhhh, now I think I understand your position.................yikes

[DarkReign]

Ohhhhhhhhh, now I think I understand your position.................yikes

Yikes is right. ouch......

[Oscar DeLa]

I don't know what it is, but I think PDBM is muslim.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I don't know what it is, but I think PDBM is muslim.

This man is wise.

[Oscar DeLa]

I dont know what it is but its not surprising that you bend over backwards to support barbaric muslim practices.

[clambake]

Are you a peaceful Muslim?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Are you a peaceful Muslim?

No.

I'm the type that declares Jehad on posters.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I dont know what it is but its not surprising that you bend over backwards to support barbaric muslim practices.

Because our wonderful media has distorted everything related to Islam.

If somebody was bashing your religion unfairly you'd do the same thing.

[clambake]

Oh great. Here we go again.

[jochhejaam]

Who made them a sovereign state with the right to exist?

That statement makes it sound it as if you don't believe that they have the right to exist. Is that an accurate assessment?

[Oscar DeLa]

Because our wonderful media has distorted everything related to Islam.

If somebody was bashing your religion unfairly you'd do the same thing.

I don't know what it is, but why don't you explicitly tell us how muslims really treat women in ME countries then.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I don't know what it is, but why don't you explicitly tell us how muslims really treat women in ME countries then.

Pakistan's had a female President. (Well, "Prime Minister)

That has to tell you a little bit about how Muslims treat there women. Turn on Cops sometime, see how trailer trash treat there women.

[clambake]

I'd like to hear your answer to Jochhejaam's question.

[Nbadan]

That statement makes it sound it as if you don't believe that they have the right to exist. Is that an accurate assessment?

I’m hoping that that question was rhetorical Israel isn't going anywhere and it was the UN that planted the seeds to this situation in the 50's. Still, the US feeds billions of dollars of weapons to Israel causing a power struggle in the region as larger nations with inferior armies try and become more influential. It not that Israel is so strong that is the problem, it's that Israel is so much stronger than other countries in the region. Other countries, and their money, feel militarily inferior, so you get the formation of organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I'd like to hear your answer to Jochhejaam's question.

I believe I already have throughout this thread.

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]

I’m hoping that that question was rhetorical

The question was addressed to PDBM, so why would you hope it was rhetorical?

It not that Israel is so strong that is the problem, it's that Israel is so much stronger than other countries in the region. Other countries, and their money, feel militarily inferior, <didn't realize money could feel militarily inferior> so you get the formation of organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.

Terrorist factions were borne because of Israel's military superiority that has only been used to defend its people. Okay dan.
Our military superiority far surpasses that of Mexico and Canada (other Countries in our region) so where's the Canadian and Mexican jihad against our Country? (now that's a rhetorical question)

A rather absurd post from you dan.

[jochhejaam]

I believe I already have throughout this thread.

A simple yes or no would suffice, what are you afraid of?

[DarkReign]

[QUOTE=jochhejaam]

Terrorist factions were borne because of Israel's military superiority that has only been used to defend its people. Okay dan.
Our military superiority far surpasses that of Mexico and Canada (other Countries in our region) so where's the Canadian and Mexican jihad against our Country? (now that's a rhetorical question)

Hes got a point. Just because their egos were hurt over 50 years ago does not excuse terrorist practices.

They signed the deal. Now they dont like the terms. Sorry bout your luck, kids.

[Nbadan]

Our military superiority far surpasses that of Mexico and Canada (other Countries in our region) so where's the Canadian and Mexican jihad against our Country? (now that's a rhetorical question)

If you remember we fought quite a few wars with Mexico and the French in Canada. Pancho Villa? The War of 1812? The burning of the WH? Any of that sound familiar?

If the Israelis have a right to self-determination, don't the Lebanese and Palestinians deserve the same?

[Nbadan]

They signed the deal. Now they dont like the terms. Sorry bout your luck, kids.

It's not only about them not liking the deal, its about Israeli hemogamy spreading in the Middle East. Alone Syria, Iran, and the Palestinians can do nothing to stop the Israeli armed forces, but if these countries united, along with Pakistani missile and nuclear technology, then we've got really serious problem. I just don't think the Pakistanis would stand idle while Israel rained bombs down on Syria and/or Iran.

[Nbadan]

Sometimes, a pic is worth a thousand words..