Stoudemire and Diaw have to be Suspended

[ATXSPUR]

Obivously, there is much opinion regarding this hot topic. As a Spurs fan, I am dissapointed in Horry's hard foul tonight. However, I honestly believe that many individuals are making it alot worse then what it really was. He did not swing at Nash. He simply leaned his shoulder into Nash and Nash went flying. I think Nash's small size makes the foul look much harder then it really was. Again, that don't excuse Horry's actions. He started everything and should be punished. I am trying to be fair even though I am a Spurs fan. This is what I think should happen...

Robert Horry, suspended for the remainder of the series

Amare and Diaw, suspended for one game. They both stepped on the court. If Amare would have stayed on the black part of the court while "checking in, " he would have been excused. However, he didn't.

Bell, fined by the league. Some say that he threw an elbow at Horry first...If he did, he deserves to be suspended as well. However, I did not see this and I am going by what I saw.

Nash, fined by the league. He did get up and go after Horry.

Any other Spurs player that left the bench deserves a one game suspension as well.

This is what I think should happen. Obviously, the Suns don't get much help. However, these players violated different rules and deserve to be punished. Again, I am trying to be fair about everything and I believe this is fair. The NBA has to do something about this series cause it's getting out of hand...

More sense in one post than the ac ulated sense of all the suns and mavs trolls in this thread combined.

[SpursFanFirst]

Is it just me or does it seem like Spurs fans are hiding behind the "letter of the law" argument because they're scared to see the Suns at full-strength in Game 5?

Do you fail to realize the disappointment that would be Game 5 to rob two key players of their chance to sit on the bench because they walked out of the bench area?

It's weak to think that their actions are worse than Horry's... who also threw the elbow at Raja Bell, while Bell got a tech.

This argument has already been made...
But honestly, for me, it's not about being "scared" to play the Suns next game. I have faith in the Spurs team, in Duncan, Manu, etc...
For me, what it comes down to is the rules. As I said earlier tonight, I watched many Pacers players get suspended for MANY games because of this rule. And some of those players were trying to break the fight up...but, rules were rules, and they were suspended.
As Kenny said on Inside earlier, if you start making exceptions now, where do you draw the line?
With the NBA trying so hard to change its image, bending the rules will certainly NOT help them.

[RonMexico]

I guess your team has been scared this entire series and they've had video sent to the league to review in order to have one of our players suspended. Get the out of here.

Good God - you shut the up. How many more times do I have to hear about Manu's eye?? Jesus Christ, he was whacked across the face unintentionally and you guys act like Marion should be crucified.

But it's ok to slam a player into the boards or knee him in the groin... cool. I guess Tim Duncan and Tony Parker don't ever travel either...

[ploto]

HUH??

Where does the rule specifically say a player has to be suspended for stepping onto the court? To claim that it is an open and shut case, you need to site the actual rule. As stated above, the rules posted so far all say you have to stay in the vicinity of the bench. These guys never even got near halfcourt.

[TheReckoning]

I do. We had to play half the game with Duncan on the bench tonight due to bull calls on TD. Payback's a .

I think your mistaken, that was the Suns payback for game 3 when they had to play half the game with Stoudemire on the bench due to bull calls on AS. Your right though Payback was a .

[DarrinS]

dude this whole thread is about the spurs "just wanting whats fair" in suspending diaw and amare, regardless of the fact that they didnt do anything.. and that horrys flagrent was nothing but a "nice hard foul"

own the up homers.

Don't worry. I'm sure your pussy coach will be calling for Horry's early retirement.


BTW, .... I don't think any suspensions are called for. But, then again, i'm a fan of a "dirty" team.

[ponky]

I want to see a full strength game, but if Horry is suspended for breaking a rule then so should Amare and Diaw (btw - Amare went farther on the court than Diaw and was more aggressive before his coaches wrangled him). Do you think Horry should not be suspended?

It's the mother ing principle of the matter.

just curious, hinrich too right?

[SpursFan0728]

diaw yes, amare no...besides, why do you guys care so much if amare plays? you really want to win a game that way? why ruin a great series?

did u wish baron davids didn't play for 1 game in the mavs-warriros series?
yes
cos he raped your mavs

[Amarelooms]

Obivously, there is much opinion regarding this hot topic. As a Spurs fan, I am dissapointed in Horry's hard foul tonight. However, I honestly believe that many individuals are making it alot worse then what it really was. He did not swing at Nash. He simply leaned his shoulder into Nash and Nash went flying. I think Nash's small size makes the foul look much harder then it really was. Again, that don't excuse Horry's actions. He started everything and should be punished. I am trying to be fair even though I am a Spurs fan. This is what I think should happen...

Robert Horry, suspended for the remainder of the series

Amare and Diaw, suspended for one game. They both stepped on the court. If Amare would have stayed on the black part of the court while "checking in, " he would have been excused. However, he didn't.

Bell, fined by the league. Some say that he threw an elbow at Horry first...If he did, he deserves to be suspended as well. However, I did not see this and I am going by what I saw.

Nash, fined by the league. He did get up and go after Horry.

Any other Spurs player that left the bench deserves a one game suspension as well.

This is what I think should happen. Obviously, the Suns don't get much help. However, these players violated different rules and deserve to be punished. Again, I am trying to be fair about everything and I believe this is fair. The NBA has to do something about this series cause it's getting out of hand...

I agree this is likely what will happen. Come down hard on Horry and Amare/Diaw gone for one game. Expect the refs to also give the Suns all the calls the rest of the series

[gtownspur]

Whatever happens between Horry diaw and Amore.

I assure one thing..,,......................................... .........................,,,





mavfan is still gay.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I don't want to see any suspensions for the Suns. The Spurs don't deserve a break.

The Spurs played like b1tches and now deserve to be forced to climb uphill to salvage this series.

The Spurs don't deserve a break, but it's not about the Spurs. The only thing about the Spurs in this is whether or not Robert Horry deserves a suspension. According to NBA rules - the answer is yes.

The question about the Suns is whether Amare, Diaw, and Bell deserve suspensions. According to NBA rule the answer is yes.

You can't judge laws and rules based on feeling. Horry ed up, and deserves to sit a game due to the rules. Three Suns ed up, and deserve to sit a game due to the rules. I can't see why so many people here think the law or rules are arbitrary to "feelings".

[Amarelooms]

This argument has already been made...
But honestly, for me, it's not about being "scared" to play the Suns next game. I have faith in the Spurs team, in Duncan, Manu, etc...
For me, what it comes down to is the rules. As I said earlier tonight, I watched many Pacers players get suspended for MANY games because of this rule. And some of those players were trying to break the fight up...but, rules were rules, and they were suspended.
As Kenny said on Inside earlier, if you start making exceptions now, where do you draw the line?
With the NBA trying so hard to change its image, bending the rules will certainly NOT help them.

You are scared and should be...if not for Nash sitting out the final min of the 1st game it might be 3-1. YOu lost HCA now and if both teams play at full strength the edge goes to the Suns...Spurs need all the help they can get

[SpursFanFirst]

Horry didn't just "break a rule." He nearly broke Steve Nash. Go back to writing your column about the 3-1 Bulls tomorrow, Kevin before you ruin this thread anymore.

You have to think that Stern and the boys upstairs will be looking at the context of the event and determine that both those guys' main intent was probably to attend to their MVP lying on the ground.

Besides, if they do that, they always have the power to change the rules in June.

OK, I'm sorry, but that is FUNNY!!!!!
I am in NO way advocating what Horry did...in fact, I'm completely disgusted by the whole thing for so many reasons...
BUT...he did not almost BREAK Nash!
It was hard, yes...but for crying out loud, once Nash fell, the flop that followed was so outlandish, it was funny...
And I saw the interview after the game with Nash, and he hardly looked like a man who was almost broken.
That's just funny

[RonMexico]

I saw it the way I said it. It wasn't the throat, it was the chest and then glanced upwards. Who ing cares anyway? Both threw intentional shots and both need to be suspended.

Bell never threw a shot and I've seen this place from multiple angles. He got a tech, but he didn't throw an elbow or anything.

I love that when the officials enforced such rules as hand-checking, elbowing players in the chest, traveling violations, over the back fouls, blocking fouls that are just flops in disguise, and moving screens, that means they were just "giving the Suns the game."

But hey, "Rules are rules" except when they apply to Tim Duncan, Fabricio Oberto, Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, and Manu Ginobili.

[Kevin Blackistone]

just curious, hinrich too right?

What did hinrich do? If he did something that according to NBA rules warrants a suspension then he should sit too. It's simple.

[dbreiden83080]

Where does the rule specifically say a player has to be suspended for stepping onto the court? To claim that it is an open and shut case, you need to site the actual rule. As stated above, the rules posted so far all say you have to stay in the vicinity of the bench. These guys never even got near halfcourt.

It says clearly if you are on the court during an altercation you are suspended PERIOD. Look at the Knicks in 97 Ewing had a foot on the court and he was gone the next game. Do some research next time, Amare was on the court and so was Boris by the law they are gone for game 5.

[ATXSPUR]

The Spurs don't deserve a break, but it's not about the Spurs. The only thing about the Spurs in this is whether or not Robert Horry deserves a suspension. According to NBA rules - the answer is yes.

The question about the Suns is whether Amare, Diaw, and Bell deserve suspensions. According to NBA rule the answer is yes.

You can't judge laws and rules based on feeling. Horry ed up, and deserves to sit a game due to the rules. Three Suns ed up, and deserve to sit a game due to the rules. I can't see why so many people here think the law or rules are arbitrary to "feelings".

case closed....rules are rules are rules

[Gerryatrics]

After watching it again several hundred times (only a slight exaggeration), I'm not so sure Amare and Diaw are going to be suspended. Diaw barely steps on to the court at all, Stoudemire is on the court but is walking around a couple of people and neither one of them get very far. Both were arguably in the vicinity of the bench, and neither was involved in the altercation, so I guess it comes down to how strict the league wants to be.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Bell never threw a shot and I've seen this place from multiple angles. He got a tech, but he didn't throw an elbow or anything.

I love that when the officials enforced such rules as hand-checking, elbowing players in the chest, traveling violations, over the back fouls, blocking fouls that are just flops in disguise, and moving screens, that means they were just "giving the Suns the game."

But hey, "Rules are rules" except when they apply to Tim Duncan, Fabricio Oberto, Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, and Manu Ginobili.

When did I ever say that? I said anyone who breaks the rules has to get the punishment. If the roles were reversed and TD left the bench - the NBA would have to suspend him too. It's no different, and I never said it was. You're just a pissed Suns homer who knows his team ed up but still wants them to get away with it.

[Amarelooms]

All this really makes no diff. If the Suns players get suspened for game 5 and lose that game...the Suns will likely win game 6 due to emotion and help from the league. Thus it all comes down to a game 7 in Phoenix..

[ATXSPUR]

Bell never threw a shot and I've seen this place from multiple angles. He got a tech, but he didn't throw an elbow or anything.

I love that when the officials enforced such rules as hand-checking, elbowing players in the chest, traveling violations, over the back fouls, blocking fouls that are just flops in disguise, and moving screens, that means they were just "giving the Suns the game."

But hey, "Rules are rules" except when they apply to Tim Duncan, Fabricio Oberto, Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, and Manu Ginobili.

Talk about a homer....whatever ing Spurs broke a rule I hope sits. Whatever ing sun broke a rule I hope sits. ITS THAT ING SIMPLE!!!

[dbreiden83080]

After watching it again several hundred times (only a slight exaggeration), I'm not so sure Amare and Diaw are going to be suspended. Diaw barely steps on to the court at all, Stoudemire is on the court but is walking around a couple of people and neither one of them get very far. Both were arguably in the vicinity of the bench, and neither was involved in the altercation, so I guess it comes down to how strict the league wants to be.

They could be an inch on the court and they are gone the next game the distance means nothing, you can't be on the court at all and they both were.

[sunsbum]

Talk about a homer....whatever ing Spurs broke a rule I hope sits. Whatever ing sun broke a rule I hope sits. ITS THAT ING SIMPLE!!!

of course youd say that, and i would say the same thing if it was eric piatkowski vs duncan and finley.

ITS THAT ING SIMPLE!!!

[ponky]

did u wish baron davids didn't play for 1 game in the mavs-warriros series?
yes
cos he raped your mavs

try to focus on the series, i know it's hard seeing as how some spurs fans continue to be obsessed with all things mavs related. why would davis have been suspended? he did nothing to warrant a suspension. see, the problem with treating me like some typical dallas area mavs fan is that i'm not...i don't live in dallas, i'm not a homer, i'm not above bashing my team for their poor play and i don't wish harm/suspensions/injuries on other players just so my team can get a leg up.

for me, i want to see a really good series and this is a really good series. it won't be a good series if the league hands out all these suspensions. it can still be a very good series without diaw and horry but without amare? no, that's b.s.

[SpursFanFirst]

Obivously, there is much opinion regarding this hot topic. As a Spurs fan, I am dissapointed in Horry's hard foul tonight. However, I honestly believe that many individuals are making it alot worse then what it really was. He did not swing at Nash. He simply leaned his shoulder into Nash and Nash went flying. I think Nash's small size makes the foul look much harder then it really was. Again, that don't excuse Horry's actions. He started everything and should be punished. I am trying to be fair even though I am a Spurs fan. This is what I think should happen...

Robert Horry, suspended for the remainder of the series

Amare and Diaw, suspended for one game. They both stepped on the court. If Amare would have stayed on the black part of the court while "checking in, " he would have been excused. However, he didn't.

Bell, fined by the league. Some say that he threw an elbow at Horry first...If he did, he deserves to be suspended as well. However, I did not see this and I am going by what I saw.

Nash, fined by the league. He did get up and go after Horry.

Any other Spurs player that left the bench deserves a one game suspension as well.

This is what I think should happen. Obviously, the Suns don't get much help. However, these players violated different rules and deserve to be punished. Again, I am trying to be fair about everything and I believe this is fair. The NBA has to do something about this series cause it's getting out of hand...

Isn't that a little harsh, especially when you've just said...
"I think Nash's small size makes the foul look much harder then it really was."
One game, yes...but the remainder of the series?

Diaw and Stoudemire, I agree with.

Bell, I'm not sure. I don't know about the altercation with Horry, but I think someone mentioned him throwing a punch somewhere in the game. If that's correct, then he should be suspended for a game.

And Nash? I still don't understand the fine. Someone else mentioned this too, but since he was stopped from going after Horry, and therefore wasn't successful in his "attack" I don't think he should be fined. Hm...but maybe the goal is to stop him before he attacks next time? I don't know. I really don't where he's concerned.