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    Like RC said they'll offer him the supermax..

    This is only strategy.
    The Spurs aren't getting what they expected for Kawhi and RC is telling other teams "we're fine, we're not desperate, if you want our guy, you better improve your offer"

    RC is just bluffing. They don't want to keep Kawhi, this is just part of the negotiations with other teams.
    Interesting alternate take. I think we will know before the end of summer.

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    Watch what happens next — if LeBron re-ups 1+1 in Cleveland, and George does the same in OKC, it means the three of them are punting for the year and waiting out the end of Kawhi’s contract before they all go to LA.
    Unlikely, but if that happens, you call Jerry West, and take what he gives you. Kawhi then has a choice of re-upping, in LA, with Bird rights, or moving to the other locker room without them. That's a $40M haircut to wear a different uniform in your home town.

    There are multiple paths to e the Laker superteam. ing it is a LOT easier than trying to put it together. Putting it together requires a bunch of things to all go right. ing it requires only making one or two things go wrong.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs' at ude has changed from frustrated/perplexed to these jokers (Uncle/Leonard/LA) we are done with him and will do what we need to do to get the best value given the cir stances.

    Lots of corporate speak and PR from the Spurs over the last 24 hours. They do still have to sell tickets...

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    The Spurs did take West's call and listen to the offer.

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    Seriously what the are you talking about? I told you tell me the injury and give me proof that injury can keep a player out as long as Kawhi.
    If your ignorance doesn't allow you to realize that quad's ossifications (Kawhi's doctors diagnosis) and severe tendinopathies (Spurs' doctors) can keep a player out for an entire regular season...I can't help.

    E]Plus you asked me a question? So you answers my question with another question? Again you’re talking in circles
    No. I answered all your questions but you couldn't do the same...

    Seriously what the are you talking about?...
    You seem so mad

    Like I've said before I'm having a good time and laughing at your reactions.

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    Philly seems the obvious destination if he's traded.

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    I think James is bailing this offseason - why stick around even for one more year? LA was likely the master plan, now he just goes to Philly.
    Possibly. It’s a 1-hour flight from Akron to Philly. He could keep his family where it is.

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    Yup that's my biggest fear Lebron and PG will do 1 year deals with their current teams.
    anyone who believes that lebron and pg13 are going to delay a year of their life just for the purpose of playing with the "great Kawhi Leonard" is delusional (to say the least)

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    Watch what happens next — if LeBron re-ups 1+1 in Cleveland, and George does the same in OKC, it means the three of them are punting for the year and waiting out the end of Kawhi’s contract before they all go to LA.
    It would be really tough to pull off since James, George, and Leonard would then make 95% of the cap. In fact in that scenario you're predicting it would be impossible for them to all get signed to max contracts from the Lakers since the ten empty roster spots under 12 they'd have when signing the last of the three would add a cap hit of almost 9% of the cap. The time they can do it is now when Leonard is making $20 million instead of the $32 million he'd be making next year on a max offer without any Bird Rights. It's not a huge paycut George and Leonard would have to take (James has already let it be known he will not take a cent less than max ever again after leaving Miami), but it would require Magic letting Randle walk for nothing this summer and then dumping every single thing on the roster before July 1st next summer. If Magic only gets Paul George this summer I'm not sure he lets Randle walk, especially when he'd still be in position to go after Kawhi even if he signed Randle to a max deal.

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    Spurs (not exclusively) tend to make deals with friends. Philadelphia can give the Spurs a decent package for a rebuild. Also when it's apparent that the LA superteam is not happening then I think Leonard's group wouldn't balk going there and at least say the right things to get a deal done.

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    I think James is bailing this offseason - why stick around even for one more year? LA was likely the master plan, now he just goes to Philly.
    I can't imagine him wasting another year in Cleveland. How could JR Smith running out the clock and costing them a Finals win not have been the last straw?

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    If Pop doesn't want Kawhi on a Doc Rivers' team or any other possible WC playoffs team, he'd take that Wizards offer is the rumor is true.

    There are many issues between Wall and Beal on/off court to keep both players...

    If Grunfeld though that hiring Brooks would help them to get KD, he could be enough dumb to think Kawhi will say there after one year.
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    Spurs (not exclusively) tend to make deals with friends. Philadelphia can give the Spurs a decent package for a rebuild. Also when it's apparent that the LA superteam is not happening then I think Leonard's group wouldn't balk going there and at least say the right things to get a deal done.
    Still gotta give Ainge a chance to beat that offer. Though the only way they can beat something centered on Fultz + Saric is to offer Tatum plus whatever matching salary to make the trade legal.

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    I can't imagine him wasting another year in Cleveland. How could JR Smith running out the clock and costing them a Finals win not have been the last straw?
    Yes, and he stays in the East close to home with Philly. Also easier path to the Finals of course. If this plays out then Uncle Dennis will be leaking about wanting to go there. I think Spurs then work in earnest on negotiating a trade.

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    Still gotta give Ainge a chance to beat that offer. Though the only way they can beat something centered on Fultz + Saric is to offer Tatum plus whatever matching salary to make the trade legal.
    Absolutely. Best case scenario then is Boston and Philly fighting over Leonard with LeBron in Philly. Ainge will have to give up real value to compete.

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    If Pop doesn't want Kawhi on a Doc Rivers' team or any other possible WC playoffs team, he'd take that Wizards offer is the rumor is true.

    There are many issues between Wall and Beal on/off court to keep both players...

    If Grunfeld though that hiring Brooks would help them to get KD, he could be enough dumb to think Kawhi will say there after one year.
    What rumor? KL for Beal?

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    It would be really tough to pull off since James, George, and Leonard would then make 95% of the cap. In fact in that scenario you're predicting it would be impossible for them to all get signed to max contracts from the Lakers since the ten empty roster spots under 12 they'd have when signing the last of the three would add a cap hit of almost 9% of the cap. The time they can do it is now when Leonard is making $20 million instead of the $32 million he'd be making next year on a max offer without any Bird Rights. It's not a huge paycut George and Leonard would have to take (James has already let it be known he will not take a cent less than max ever again after leaving Miami), but it would require Magic letting Randle walk for nothing this summer and then dumping every single thing on the roster before July 1st next summer. If Magic only gets Paul George this summer I'm not sure he lets Randle walk, especially when he'd still be in position to go after Kawhi even if he signed Randle to a max deal.
    This summer may have been the one shot then. Nice try, LeBron.

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    Still gotta give Ainge a chance to beat that offer. Though the only way they can beat something centered on Fultz + Saric is to offer Tatum plus whatever matching salary to make the trade legal.
    Saric, Fultz, Heat's 2021 1st, Zhaire.

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    What rumor? KL for Beal?
    Yep.

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    Saric, Fultz, Heat's 2021 1st, Zhaire.
    Probably take back Bayless' contract too to make it work.

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    Maybe the Spurs' relationship with Leonard can be restored, but is that going to happen in a month? Philly may need Leonard in the fold to recruit LeBron. If the Sixers are putting a reasonably good return in front of the Spurs do they pass? I don't think so. They have all the cover they need with the fanbase for moving Leonard.

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    Maybe the Spurs' relationship with Leonard can be restored, but is that going to happen in a month? Philly may need Leonard in the fold to recruit LeBron. If the Sixers are putting a reasonably good return in front of the Spurs do they pass? I don't think so. They have all the cover they need with the fanbase for moving Leonard.
    I never took it as Philly being able to acquire LeBron AND Kawhi - I always thought it was one or the other. How do you see them realistically getting both?

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    Absolutely. Best case scenario then is Boston and Philly fighting over Leonard with LeBron in Philly. Ainge will have to give up real value to compete.
    This. Ainge CANNOT let a superteam form in Philly. With the Kyrie situation uncertain, even with their young talent, they ain't gettin' past LeBron and Kawhi. Their window could be shut.

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    Also Leonard's group gets their move to a larger market, Uncle whoever is based in Philly/NJ and Leonard gets to play 2nd fiddle to LeBron. I think this works out for everyone as best it can. It's still gonna cost Leonard significantly. Presumably whatever endorsements he's missing out on in SA that he can get in a larger market will close the gap.

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    I never took it as Philly being able to acquire LeBron AND Kawhi - I always thought it was one or the other. How do you see them realistically getting both?
    Kawhi has to come via trade. He's not a FA this summer. They'll have a MAX slot for LeBron and a lot of assets and salary to trade.

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