Anybody think it might be worthwhile to try trade up to get McRoberts? (especially if we traded Scola to do it). He's a skilled face-up PF, who's been decent defensively for Duke. Big time athlete. He's taken a stock hit, because he wasn't able to be the "MAN" for Duke this season & some mock drafts have him going late teens to early 20's. He looks like he might fit real well next to Duncan (good passer, decent Jumpshot, mobile, solid defender). While he might never be an all-star, we are really looking for a complementary guy/ some one who doesn't want to be the "MAN" anyway.
The recent mocks I have seen have shown Josh slipping to anywhere from the 12th pick to the later teens. I think it would take to much to move up to take a guy that no one really seems high on. Maybe in a running teams offense, like the Suns or Warriors he would be the , but the Spurs bigs have to play d, rebound and block shots, 3 things I think he will have trouble with at the next level. Then again, if he really slipped, then, maybe
Brewer will be a SG....AND a SF. He is versatile enough to play/guard both positions.
Actually he plays pretty good d, rebounds fairly well (8rpg), and has the athleticism/timing to block shots (2.5bpg). Scouts are down on him because he hasn't shown the shooting ability that he posessed in HS, he lacks a decent offensive post game, and though he's big enough (240+) he often gets pushed around in the defensive post because he lacks strength (mostly lower body).
With his passing ability (3.5apg), he could be an asset, but I agree that trading up for him might not be the right move.
In fact, with so many PF prospects in this draft, I'm not sure the Spurs would have to trade up if they wanted to snag a good one....there should be enough to go around on draft day.
The problem always seems to be that there aren't enough SFs with the qualifications and talents (length, rebounding, shooting) we need. Lots of PFs and Cs early in this draft.
Thats why I said at the next level
SF with all three of those characteristics go in the top 5. In order to get one of those types, the Spurs would have to trade WAY up or settle for a SF prospect with a game lacking in one of those areas.
My personal favorite is Dominic McGuire. He's a super athlete with great length, a great rebounder and shotblocker, and has the floor vision to be a good assist guy. BUT, he doesn't have the "shooting" your model requires (though mechanics are supposedly okay). IMO, he's the guy to get....
Also, I don't know if it happens like this every year, but the 2007 draft is just stocked with PF/C of every shape, size, and skill set.
Possible First Round PF/C include:
Greg Oden
Brendan Wright
Al Horford
Joakim Noah
Yi Jianlin'
Spencer Hawes
Roy Hibbert
Tiago Splitter
Josh McRoberts
Tyler Hansbrough
Herbert Hill
Jason Smith
"Big Baby" Davis
Nick Fazekas
DAMN!
And you didnt even include Aaron Gray or Gasols brother
you forgot brewer
he is the one that the spurs need!
I listed F/C....not G/Fs
Whoops...damn, 16 prospective bigs in the first round.
I guess if the Spurs do try to trade Scola or Oberto to move up, they have the potential to replace them with the Milwakee pick...surely 16 of the first 30 picks won't be F/C. Still, I'd only like to see a trade if it gets the Spurs a lottery-type talent.
I disagree...and I'll tell you that, to me, is difficult to imagine a c/pf with more experience and skill set than Scola in the 16 above mentioned. He's probably better and, however, more ready for a le ride, in this moment, than all of them, except, maybe, three or four (I see only Oden and Durant, maybe Hibbert and Noah).
I agree in the sense that, if we really have to move up using the Scola rights, it has to be, at least, in the lottery...but I'm not sure it will be possible to take one of the first 6/7, so I'm not sure we'll draft, in case, a c/pf (the four above mentioned, IMHO, will be gone after choice nummber 7).
In fact, I think in summer we'll probably take a very good look at Javtokas too...I see his skills more adapt for nba (and particulary for our kind of defense) than euroleague, and he played very little time with Panathinaikos this year (I wonder if it could be possible to trade Butler to the Pana for him...).
So, at least, we could have the five big man like : Duncan, Scola, Oberto, Javtokas, Elson (and Horry, if he don't retires).
look
if the top 16 picks are going on bigs, i dont want to see the spurs waste a pick trading to get a big for the future. This spurs team is about buiding to win now, so i see why they should keep scola, but his price tag though.
save the picks and draft on needs, im pretty sure there are serviceable big men in the league that could come cheap.
The bulls brown is talkin about retirement, if we can talk him out of it, he should sign with the spurs on the cheap to win a ring....
we need guys who contribute now, not in the n future.
deep as this draft is, I can't see Richards get drafted.
one nice game and the argument, that he would have played more, if he didn't have to play behind Horford and Noah, won't be enough.
a player like Haslem did play a far more important role at college and didn't get drafted (in an average year) either, because teams didn't see enough size and talent. even players like Glen Davis are expected to fall to mid 2nd round and at the end of 2nd round there are still some bigs teams can gamble on, with more upside. (Begic, Watkins, Teletovic, etc.)
I guess that's what most Spurs fans thought. he would be great in a Kevin Willis role for another season or two.
but if he is willing to add one more season (on a vet minimum contract) to get that chance for a ring, that will be some other teams, with likely better chances trying to get him, namely his hometown team Pistons (to repleace Davis).
however, even at 38 he would be great for this 10 minutes role.
that was the point, why I would hesitate to invest the Buck's pick in a trade up scenario. it would move us up for 3 or 4 spots.
as you say, there should still enough go around in this area, that I would prefer to get two players than one.
IMO this scenario has more upside.
and I'm sure we would go crazy, if we trade up to get a player, who would still have been there and meanwhile we see another nice prospect slip to the Buck's pick.
it's just my gut, but I think this draft contains several Boozers, Varejaos, Lewises and Redds.
FO should better do some extra hours in scouting this year.
My main points in response to responses....
1. I wasn't saying that the Spurs should trade up FOR a big. I was saying that if the Spurs traded up to get a Corey Brewer/Jeff Green type using a guy like Scola, I think they could pick up a PF later.
2. While there are few Power Forwards with Scola's experience, I can think of at least one that has EXACTLY the same game. Tyler Hansbrough is a slightly undersized, mildly athletic, banger in the paint with great post moves, a nose for the ball, and a fiery determination much like Scola. I'm not saying he'll be there at 35, but he's one example of a PF the could be very good on this Spurs team. "Big Baby" Davis is another guy in that mold, although he's got nice touch from midrange as well.
3. One final observation....I don't think the Spurs look at adding Javtokas (IMO, that ship has sailed), and I find it hard to believe that Mahinmi will be added either (though it's tough to see where he'll go if Pau isn't taking him back). It's the same reason why it will be tough to bring Scola over this summer AND add two american players via the draft.....the roster crunch. With only 15 spots and, as of now, 11 of them filled (assuming Ely, Bonner, and JV are not re-signed and Horry retires or is let go). I'd say it's a good bet that two of those are re-signed, and if the Spurs add Scola, that leaves room for only one prospect via the draft. CAVEAT....Unless the Spurs draft an international prospect with either of the first two picks. This is the reason I'm hard up for drafting Rudy Fernandez or Marco Belinelli as both will be able to stay overseas for at least one more season, while the roster crunch fixes itself.
Last edited by AFBlue; 04-04-2007 at 07:02 AM.
One thing to consider about Mahinmi is that unlike with Scola, Spurs aren't at all in the driver seat with Mahinmi.
If Spurs want to let him one more year in Europe and if Mahinmi really wants to come in nba this summer, Spurs are screwed. Spurs will have no other choice than signing him, trading him (and he has a very low trade value after his bad season) or renouncing to his draft rights.
I fail to see where the difference is between Scola and Mahinmi as far as bargaining position is concerned. They still own his rights...
Mahinmi only signed a one year deal did he not
and that is what the spurs said
trading him however would be foolish because his value is not that high
And he could sign another one-year deal after this season with Pau, or with another team.
The difference is that Mahinmi is a first round pick.
To keep draft rights, a team must offer each summer a contract to the player.
For Scola, it can be a one year non guaranteed contractbecause he is a second round pick. Scola can't pay his buyout with this contract and he will never come in nba with that kind of contract given his level in nba.
For Mahinmi, it's a first round pick contract with two guaranteed years and he will accept it.
he seems to want to do what spurs want him to do
he could sign another year someplace else or he could sign with the spurs play in the d league and the nba
Wow, that's a good piece of information. I knew he was a first round pick, but I didn't know there was a requirement levied by the league to offer the international first-rounders a contract every year. That's interesting....
No way he turns down guaranteed money to come overseas....even if he'll only play in the NBDL.
Mahinmi has signed a two years contract with Pau but there is likely an opt out close in his contract for the nba at the end of the first year.
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