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Bonner for LeBron James, tbh.
Lol. You don't know what the word redundant means. You are a modest talent intellectually.
Bonner for LeBron James, tbh.
Bonner for Nando, tbh.
oh wait.
Inconceivable
Bonner for Hedo Turkoglu, per par.
Ariza
Varejao
I said this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here. The Spurs need to find a capable third perimeter defender more than anything. This player doesn't have to crack the rotation, but they need to be available in games like these. Green did a pretty good job prevent Durant from being effiicent, but he wasn't available to check Jackson and/or Westbrook very much like he normally does. These types of players can be found on the cheap often, like Green and Beverly were, but the team has to be smart about locating them.
It doesn't even need to be a long wing; an actualized Joseph would do.
Disagree about the last part, of course it needs to be a long wing...
Spurs need either more post offense or more perimeter D in general, OKc takes advantage of both limitations that's why they're winning so easily...
A Player able to provide both post offense and perimeter D is Josh Smith who is not really a good fit in Detroit...
A package that could be the best answer for our needs would be Snell + Boozer, perimeter D + post offense... But it's basically impossible for us to trade for that...
All the following supposes that Bonner would be possible to trade, something I've long thought impossible due to how much he's beloved by the powers that be. But if, if they were willing to trade him ...
possible candidate:
Ersan Ilyasova
I think he's a realistic candidate, mostly because he's been so terrible this year that his value must be in the basement when factoring in his deal, 7.9 a year guaranteed through 15/16 (400k of 8.4 guaranteed in 16/17)
He has been vile garbage this season (and hurt). , just watch him play, he fails the eye test. The stats reflect it: His minutes are the same as 11/12 and 12/13, and his usage is very close, but the drop is staggering.
year - min, pts, trb, fg%, 3pt%, trb%, tov%, PER
11/12 - 27.6 mpg, 13.0 pts, 8.8 trb, 49.2 fg%, 45.5 3pt%, 17.6 rb%, 10.1 TOV%, 20.5 PER
12/13 - 27.6 mpg, 13.2 pts, 7.1 trb, 46.2 fg%, 44.4 3pt%, 13.9 rb%, 7.9 TOV%, 18.3 PER
13/14 - 27.4 mpg, 8.2 pts, 4.6 trb, 38.3 fg%, 21.6 3pt%, 9.5 rb%, 15.3 TOV%, 8.9 PER
That's a serious decline. 3PT % cut in half, disgusting (only shooting 14.3% in December!). Rebounds, cut in half, rebound% cut nearly in half off 2 years ago, TOV% nearly double last year, his PER cut in half the last two years.
Is he just stuck in a bad situation and quitting? Or is he just the kind of player who is so dependent on other players that he can't function on a trainwreck like the Bucks? Or was he a fluke? Or another foreign player with a faked age who is really 29 and is just declining a little faster past his athletic prime?
Either way, he should be on the table. If his 3 pt shot could ever come back, it would be on the Spurs. And his deal, while a dealbreaker for other possible suitors like Houston (keeping cap room for summer 2015), might not be that bad on the Spurs. He could be a Diaw replacement. Sure his deal would cut into the rebuild, but not enough to cripple them I would think, besides, he would be an de facto expiring.
As far as matching salary, Bonner and Nando is enough (or Ayres in place of Nando). The question would be is he worth a first rounder this year. Based on how wretched he's been this year, I don't know if he's even worth a first rounder. But just the salary savings to the Bucks would give them the opportunity to get to nearly 17-18 million in caproom not including their 1st rounder, which admittedly will eat up about 5 million of that. So perhaps Bonner, Nando, and a 2nd could be enough.
A big reason I've been thinking about Ilyasova is that I don't think better players are achievable for the Spurs. The Spurs don't have the assets to get a Thaddeus Young. I don't think they can get Amir Johnson with a pick in the 25-27 range. Ariza isn't an option with the Wizards under so much pressure to make the playoffs. All the Spurs useful young overseas picks have little value after their injuries. Maybe Brandon Bass is gettable with Bonner and a first, but I don't even know if he's worth that.
i think it's time to gamble if there is such a way to tweak and improve the team. it's probably the least the spurs organization can do for the player who gave them championships.
SPURS needed a vessely sort aminu derrick williams here ... maybe can fit in Papanikolau oriented European style, but we need a high and / or athletic enough wing .. this is an old fact
There are two ways to look at it:
Coverage--if you get a bigger defender, then there's no one who can defended smaller players if Green is out. Maybe Leonard can slide down, but outside of a couple of end-of-game situations, I don't have a ton of confidence in him against players under 6-6 ... at least not yet. If you get a quicker defender, then there's someone who can take over on Westbrook if Green has to move up. Against combo-forwards like Melo, Diaw is already a decent backup option.
Fit--The only possible open spot in the rotation for a third perimeter defender (without creating another hole elsewhere ) is the backup point. That's why Joseph keeps getting burn. While running no PG could work on offense for the second unit, it wouldn't defensively. So either this defender only gets burn during injuries, or someone currently in the rotation gets a minutes cut. Leaving them on the deep bench would not be horrible, but such a player isn't worthy of a big trade or anything. They can be found on the scrap heap.
Ultimately, the Spurs need 2009 George Hill. He would be an excellent complement to Beli and Many and was a very good defender against smaller perimeter players. He could have slid right into the SL last night and covered Westbrook and Jackson. Obviously, players like him are somewhat rare and are highly valued as a result. But among players that the team doesn't need to spend a lot to acquire Joseph is probably the closest being that guy. If anyone has an idea of another player who could be acquired to fill that role, I'd love to hear it.
Alwayz thought joseph waz a good pickup vs a player like westbrick for D and Pop shood kno it tbh... Btw some1 put chris singleton out there and I think he could be had by spurs for sure wit little PT hes had tbh
Why not Amir Johnson again?
I don't believe in midgets defense that much tbh. Sure if we could get a 6"6 PG that'd be great but that's harder to find that anything... Just playing with the head2head tool at bballreference and Curry scored 38pts on .700 FG% the last time he went up against George Hill and is basically scoring at his career average against him...
The Spurs shat the bed with Manu and Beli playing together, which is a flawed proposition since day one. I've been saying that it was pure regular season stuff and it is. It's weak as defensively, we need a true backup SF, or a SG is you consider Manu a SF... The bench is unbalanced as because of the ty offseason, they should have gotten a SF and a Center and instead went with a scrub PF and a weak defensive SG.
Interesting read of the most surprisingly productive defender :
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/64486/surprisingly-productive-defenders
Guess who you find on the list : Durant, Reggie Jackson, MKG and Casspi among others lol (Caldwell Pope would be nice for us)
So they could have signed Casspi as a backup SF but went with Ayres who plays the same position as Diaw...
Lol at that quote for the MKG skeptics :
Kidd-Gilchrist, who is out with a broken finger at the moment, has played nearly 500 minutes this season, during which time the Bobcats have basically been the Pacers, with a 94.8 points per 100 possessions. When he's on the bench, they give up more than 100.
Another super interesting quote :
When opponents have the ball, Durant and Jackson have been, by the numbers, a top-10 NBA defensive duo. And it's not a simple case of the Thunder being great at defense. It's worth considering it might be something about this combination. One of the best five-man defensive units in the NBA (minimum 50 minutes played) is Durant and Jackson with Serge Ibaka, Thabo Sefolosha andKendrick Perkins. That lineup is one of the Thunder's most used and has an incredible defensive rating of 78.3. At the moment, if you subs ute Westbrook in for Jackson, you have one of the Thunder's most familiar lineups, and one that gives up 103.3 points. The Westbrook lineup faces the best opponents and would be expected to perform a little worse. But 25 points per 100 possessions is a massive difference.
Last edited by Baam; 12-22-2013 at 01:13 PM.
Green + Bonner + DeColo for Caldwell-Pope + Mitc + Villanueva
Get a good and cheap midget defender to replace Green, a forward that hopefully could backup Kawhi and a scoring big.
That addresses a lot of needs even if Mitc is a big question mark at that point...
Just no more soft or defenseless euros
Marvin Williams for Bonner + De Colo, anyone?
Bonner for LeBron tbh per par tbh
spurs get:
SG allen crabbe 6'6"- good shooter and good defender. a more athletic danny green. with better handles and shots on the move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsV03s_0tNg
C meyers leonard 7'- Long athletic kid with potential. could really use being around timmy. 5th big for portland right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfcPpHa3EOE
Portland gets:
danny green- marco or manu steps into the starting lineup. the other one backs the other up. crabbe can play 5-10 minutes to help out too.
aron baynes- I was a big baynes guy. but the last 2 games have been very disappointing. portland can try to build him. a switch with meyers.
cory joseph- can be their third point. behind lillard and moe williams. can learn to be a backup for lillard
2nd trade
spurs get:
PF/C kevin seraphin 6'10"- a better ayres. great rebounder and can block shots. time has gone down this year in washington.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhKqLZX0GKo
SF/PF chris singelton 6'10"- a big physical kid. can defend and shoot corner 3's. can spell leonard 5-10 minutes with micah thomas too. is shooting 41% from 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMWAnOQW8vM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAtU3Zmtqs
PF jan vessley 7'- the kid has grown to 7'. probably won't amount to much but washington looks to dump him from their team. as part of this trade. can go play in autin and learn how to play right for the year. and maybe chip can work his magic on his shot. the kid does have athleticism though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTEhFtFhKaQ
This gets us younger, longer, and more athletic.
PG- parker, mills, decolo
SG- marco, manu, crabbe
SF- leonard, singleton, thomas
PF- duncan, diaw, seraphin, thomas
C- splitter, leonard, vesley
splitter, leonard, duncan, vesley, and seraphin are all able to play the 5 too.
people are complaining about players on the Spurs' roster that are playing like scrubs, yet they want to replace them with scrubs from the rosters of ty teams..
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