This is this a good enough offer that Buck will consider.
It takes "cooper not want to play for Bucks or Dallas" to happen.
Flagg didn't seem too excited that Dallas got the #1 pick, its not too late if he wants to control his destiny! If he really wanted to be a Spur he could simply tell Mavericks not to draft him because he doesn't like how they treated Luka and he would fall to the spurs!
That's what anyone would say at this point.
Regardless they'll likely keep him.
Dallas just dug themselves out of the Luka hole (with a lot of luck). There is NO CHANCE they now take Cooper Flag and gift him to SA. Come on, use your head..
Tim Macmahon tbh
The dropoff after Harper is steep enough that I would need at least 2 FRPs to consider moving down at all, even a couple of spots.
thats better tbh
I would never do this deal. Totally unnecessary. Those 3 picks a swap and Vassell and Keldon would return far greater than we'd get from one player. All without stripping us of all our leverage.
It’s not unlikely. They have two aging AS in AD and Kyrie. Maybe pickup a ring with Giannis/AD and still left with a young stud Dylan as Kyrie replacement. And have another team (Spurs) shoulder some of the cost? Now who’s not using his head?
lol you're still not using it. The Spurs had their shot at FLagg and barely missed. Its not happening.
Yeah, that's true, but he signed with Dallas for more than that. Time will tell.
Yes, This can still happen, even though the chance is small.
Out of respect to the Basketball God, Spurs won't call to Shop #2 first.
But, if Cooper tells Dallas not to draft him, Dallas and Spurs can work this out.
Bottom line: Harper is not that far beneath Flagg. PLus some future picks.
Did MJ really say that? Because if so, Harper was on the Clippers when the Bulls were making all their Championship runs so Jordan never would have had to face him in the playoffs.
Yet another person, wow. We need to start a thread as there is simply too many people that don't understand the implications of trading Fox. Fox forced his team to trade him here. You just cannot burn that bridge with agents and potential players down the line that might also want to be traded to the Spurs.
Unless we can get a great offer/package for the number 2 pick, I am now thinking we should take Harper. With Harper, the Spurs could potentially have a TP (Fox), Manu (Harper) and a combination of the two (Castle). If they all pan out, that is super enticing to me. I'm excited about the possibilities of those three. I'm not saying these guys are as good or better (so no need to jump on me about the Manu comparisons), but they have the potential to be up there with those guys if they reach their potential.
Also, how many people that are advocating for Bailey, how many of you have watched him play extensively?
What players are Milwaukee going to get in that trade scenario? Spurs get Flagg, Mavs get Harper and Giannis. Milwaukee ain't trying to help two teams build a Championship roster for some picks that may not pan out.
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My emotional knee jerk response was go for Giannis, but i'm good with running the three guard lineup. Like others have said, we are apparently entering a brave new world where the spurs have almost too many ball handlers lol
We're not trading Fox because we want Wemby to start winning now, aside from the obvious relationship/PR issues.
Castle and Harper are both ways away from being the player that Fox is right now.
The Bulls did play Harper and CLE in the first round of the playoffs in 1988 and 1989 and both series went to 5 games (back when the first round was 5 games). That might have been the source of that.
This discussion is enjoyable, that said the obvious answer is obvious; take Harper. The front office should of course do it due diligence and bring in a bunch of guys for workouts, interviews etc, but if nothing crazy is observed Harper should be the pick. Harper can come off bench if need be to begin with or start the 3 guards, idc.
If workouts/interviews somehow reveal something concerning about Harper, you don't take another guy with 2...you trade down from 2. Dallas won't give up 1, gutting picks/roster for Giannis isn't even close to a sure thing ring or 2 so not worth it either.
I did think of back when he was in Cleveland, but the poster said Jordan told the Bulls to get him there, and he didn't get there until '95 when he was in the West. So that timeline doesn't match up "His dad was one of the greatest defensive guards in the league. So good, that MJ insisted he be his teammate because he didn't like going against him in the playoffs." If MJ said this in '89 and then it happened 5 years later, he wasn't going against him those 5 years. That's why it didn't make sense to me. Maybe Jordan did say it in '89 and the Bulls got him there years later because they remembered Jordan wanted him, but he wasn't in Jordan's way at the time they got him is all I'm saying.
The Spurs just went the most of last season Post-Fox preferring to start 3 guards with CP3/Fox/Vassell and then CP3/Castle/Vassell... I think both Castle and Harper are more capable of work at the 3 than Devin (except Devin is a better shooter), so I'm not too worried about it.
You might be taking things too literally.
Could have been a situation where when Harper was Free Agent in 94, Jordan told the team "get this guy, I hated going against him in the playoffs"
That’s a good problem, first world type, to have. Not sure it will happen on his rookie deal, though, and that when the SuperMax would be a problem.
I expect Fox to make another All NBA team in the next year or two.
If he brought the ball up the floor in the 4th, I knew Pop was dumping that particular game.
Ron Harper was with CLE in 1986-89, where CHI defeated them in 1988 and 1989. So yeah they would’ve met in the Eastern Conference playoffs.
The Spurs can send Vassell, Sochan etc plus picks. It’s doable. But I’m for keeping Dylan and run with it.
Imma be honest, I really didn't pay much attention to Harper and Bailey because I never thought the Spurs were gonna pick so high. Is the difference really that big that we just have to take Dylan over Ace despite the clear disadvantage in fit? I read somewhere that Ace Bailey actually had a higher net rating than Harper in their team.
Let's say Harper has all-star ceiling and Bailey high end role playing ceiling. Wouldn't be better to trade down and get the player that fits better plus additional assets?
Many times, a high end role player that fits is way more valuable than an all-star that doesn't fit. For example, would you rather draft a Trae Young or an Eric Gordon? (I'm not comparing Dylan and Ace to Trae and Eric, just presenting a scenario).
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