At some point, if they all pan out, two of them have to go. I don't think 3 max players are feasible anymore with the CBA we currently have. The question is when do you do it to extract the best value.
Yeah this is the most telling sign that the Giannis talk is a pipe dream.You don’t hire Mitch Fn Johnson as your head coach before trading for Giannis, it’s not happening
if they get an absolute godfather offer to trade down then go for it. But Harper is a stud and they can figure out fit later. It’s an amazing problem to have tbh.
Hire a "rookie" head coach so you can trade for a guy who specifically got a rookie head coach fired WHILE they had a top 5 record in the east
If the Spurs send out more salary, they can take back Kyrie's contract which would help Dallas with the salary matching part. Then the Spurs just have him never report to the team and leave in free agency next summer.
not really tbh. We can extend Fox, so we'd have him for 4 years. Then we can trade him with 1 year left on his deal when he's 31 and sign Harper to an extension, so he can take over. Having all 3 of them should also bring down their stats and we might be able to extend Castle and Harper for less. We'd have Harper on a rookie deal in Wemby's 2nd year of his max deal. That leaves us plenty of wiggle room to load up on role players.
3 max players are possible in the new cba, you just have to have 2 of them on your team already so you can go over the cap to sign them, and of course it's going to put you in the second apron.
Now due to the second apron restrictions as far as trades go, the only scenario that makes sense for staying in the second apron is that you actually have a team that prints money and you don't plan on changing it up much in the future anyway. Like Boston.
He's not leaving in FA just coming off that injury. So you'd be taking on two years.
Exactly... we won't ever be a secondary apron team...so two will have to go..
Let's assume Spurs go with their usual approach and keep the pick, which is obviously the most likely outcome.
Guard rotation would be fine, but there would be no space for Jeremy as a forward and he's obviously not big enough to be the backup big.
Keldon's best minutes were when he had the ball to attack the rim, but we don't want him to have the ball anymore.
Barnes must be kept because he's by far the best shooter on the team and Champagnie must be kept because he's a shooter with size on a negligible contract.
We simply must get a starting PF, next season's West will likely have AD, Gordon, Lebron, JJJ, nephew, Randle, Zion, Chet all playing PF, we have noone on the roster to match up with them. Well, other than Jeremy, but his offense is unplayable with the guards we'll have. I'd also get rid of Devin, but unfortunately that probly won't happen.
Keldon and either Jeremy or #14 for John Collins.
Adams or Kornet as the veteran insurance policy at C.
240 minutes available, 48 per position.
PG: Fox (34), Harper (14), Wesley
SG: Castle (32), Harper (16), Branham
SF: Barnes (20), Devin (28), Champagnie
PF: Collins (18), Barnes (8), Jeremy or #14 (22), Mamu
C: Wemby (34), Collins (14), veteran backup
Obviously not set in stone, but you get the point.
If #14 pick is used it should be a big forward or even Sorber.
Collins would open up a lot of possibilities for Bench lineups that could just ran most benches off the floor.
Something like Harper/Castle/Champagnie/Barnes/Collins positionless basketball, just push the pace up and blow games wide open.
Wemby sits early, then we push the pace on the already tired opposition big.
Playing Nuggets or Minnesota? Can easily size up and even go with Wemby/veteran frontcourt.
If we draft Sorber, then we don't need a veteran backup big, but Collins won't play C minutes.
Sounds kind of dumb because he's not some all-star, but considering what's available on the market, Collins should be the priority because he won't be expensive and is perfect age/archetype.
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No way am I trading away #2 unless we get a star player in return.
I said before the draft that picks 1&2 were picks you keep while 3&4 were picks you could trade down from.
Flagg is Tier 1 by himself.
Harper is Tier 2 by himself.
Everyone else has big issues they have to fix before becoming good NBA players.
Harper is a special prospect who may be better than Castle the moment he shows up in San Antonio.
I’m even open to having Harper start and have Castle come off the bench as our “Manu.”
Harper has good 3pt % on catch and shoot 3s. Combine that with his ability to penetrate and he’d be deadly as an off ball guard with Fox. On paper he is a better fit with Fox than Castle.
The real question to me in a Giannis trade if would we rather have Castle or Harper still be a Spur after the trade?
It’s a tough call.
I’m inclined to keep both and let Giannis go elsewhere unless Giannis does what Fox did and lower his trade value while demanding to be a Spur.
Castle + Harper is a beautiful backcourt of the future for us.
Last edited by couchman; 05-13-2025 at 08:41 AM.
He has a player option this summer, and if he opts in he will only have one season left on his contract. If he opts out he would be a free agent this summer.
The Spurs would only have his contract for one year. If he recovers enough by the end of the season, the Spurs could even buy him out and he could go wherever he wants, saving the Spurs a bit of money.
If they make a deal with the lakers* the league will probably throw in the #1 pick next year and they can draft dybantsa lol.
Funny thing is Bailey profiles as the type of player who rarely bust, the "I score alot in isolation forward". Now not saying you can build a winner around a player like that, but they almost always do what they are drafted to do, which is score.
Obviously if he is in SA he won't be asked to carry and offense and try to go 1 on 2 or 3 alot so his handle specifically in SA will mean almost nothing coming out the gate.
I think it's way more risky drafting Harper when he knows he won't have the ball in his hand much for possibly years in a row. Those type of players become malcontents pretty quick. I am 100% positive that if you polled every point guard in this draft and said "what team would you want to play for" all of the good ones would say "Not San Antonio"
Matter fact I can easily see some stories in a few weeks along the lines of "Harper questions is fit in San Antonio"
Cir stances matter and the Spurs have one of the worst cir stances in the league for a young point guard who thinks he's a franchise player, cause he won't even get a chance to prove it until some other players are moved off the team.
Have you seen our offense whenever there was no CP3/Tre/Fox on the floor? I believe Castle can get to all-star level, but he doesn't look like a natural point guard, he's a Jimmy Butler.
We still had Devin, Keldon and even Jeremy bringing the ball up, ffs.
The only way Harper ends up unhappy is if power of friendship isn't dismantled and Devin keeps the green light to do whatever he wants.
We needed a 6th man triple threat guard before the lottery and we still need one. Harper looks overqualified for the job, 6th man role in his rookie year with 30mpg won't derail his development.
Let's fleece Nico for Flagg
Boston last year when they traded in their last chips for Porzy and Holiday.
Why? The Spurs fleeced them in that trade. Fox is a valuable player they can still trade for more value if they want to.
#2 Strategy- Pick Dylan Harper and let the chips fall where they may.
His dad was one of the greatest defensive guards in the league. So good, that MJ insisted he be his teammate because he didn't like going against him in the playoffs.
Dylan's potential is somewhere between Shai and Harden with some untapped defensive prowess that the Spurs will harness. AND, are you sitting down SpursTalk? Harper will eventually make Vassell redundant unless he takes the role of spot-up shooter.
Wemby, Fox, Castle and Harper would be a lot to contend with for most teams. Even with Barnes at the 4, there's always going to be someone open. That could become a very dynamic offensive machine and get Wemby freed up to reach his historic potential. Defensively, we need some size and muscle.
Dallas should avoid him at all costs tbh
Spurs aren't trading Fox
Wemby + Giannis would be unbeatable. Imagine teams trying to score on the spurs. And both Giannis and Wemby can handle the ball and are excellent passers. This could be one of the best front courts ever.
Don’t overthink it, San Antonio. This is why you collect all those assets. Cash them in for the superstar to pair with wemby.
Klutch handed the Spurs Fox for some bench players, two fake draft picks, and two real picks years down the road. Spurs aren’t going to slap them in the face just because they have a “logjam” of elite/potentially elite guards.
It they don’t think all three can work, either Castle or Harper are extremely valuable chips — young premier talent — to swap for quality frontcourt players or other assets.
You don't need to be a natural point guard to run an nba offense. Speaking of Jimmy Butler he is keeping the warriors compe ive in the second round missing the player who makes their hole team work. You need someone who can handle the ball, pass at a high level, and score. Doesn't matter if they are a point guard or not.
I think Harper ends up instantly unhappy. He is not going to have the ball much playing with Castle and Fox. The only way you get the ball in his hand is making him the backup point guard and no number 2 pick wants to come in and instantly have to come off the bench. Or you put Harper at the two and you move Castle to the bench and now Castle his pissed cause he is fresh off ROY but now ANOTHER guard with his skillset has leapfrogged him?
The more I think about it the more I start to feel like having Harper in SA would be a disaster
Yeah...no, not the type of the youngest team in the nba with the second youngest coach in the nba needs to be dealing with. Draft Bailey and keep it moving. Drafting Harper is going to turn this team into a reality tv show.
Harper is better than Bailey, but he not so much better than Bailey I'm willing to deal with some highly likely team friction with him until I get rid of 1 or maybe 2 of Fox, Castle, and Devin. That's doing to much for a guy who's numbers aren't that much better than Bailey's, who I really only have to send Sochan to the bench for, and that bum should be coming off the bench anyway.
You could make the case that drafting Harper would be a slap in the face to Klutch.
"Hey thanks for all you did but we are drafting the guy to replace Fox so sure we will pay him now but win lose or draw he is out of here in year 3 maybe even year 2 if the price is right"
I'm somewhat of a pessimist myself, but you're a complete doomer.You don't need to be a natural point guard to run an nba offense. Speaking of Jimmy Butler he is keeping the warriors compe ive in the second round missing the player who makes their hole team work. You need someone who can handle the ball, pass at a high level, and score. Doesn't matter if they are a point guard or not.
I think Harper ends up instantly unhappy. He is not going to have the ball much playing with Castle and Fox. The only way you get the ball in his hand is making him the backup point guard and no number 2 pick wants to come in and instantly have to come off the bench. Or you put Harper at the two and you move Castle to the bench and now Castle his pissed cause he is fresh off ROY but now ANOTHER guard with his skillset has leapfrogged him?
The more I think about it the more I start to feel like having Harper in SA would be a disaster
Yeah...no, not the type of the youngest team in the nba with the second youngest coach in the nba needs to be dealing with. Draft Bailey and keep it moving. Drafting Harper is going to turn this team into a reality tv show.
Harper is better than Bailey, but he not so much better than Bailey I'm willing to deal with some highly likely team friction with him until I get rid of 1 or maybe 2 of Fox, Castle, and Devin. That's doing to much for a guy who's numbers aren't that much better than Bailey's, who I really only have to send Sochan to the bench for, and that bum should be coming off the bench anyway.
I'm sure Harper's dad will tell him all about wasting his prime on garbage Clippers teams and that Wemby is this generation's MJ.
If we get rid of either Fox or Castle, we'd still need another point guard to fill the rotation.
Devin is an issue because he's not a good off the ball player and is undersized, Jeremy is an issue because he's a non-factor on offense.
Keldon is an issue because he's not a good player.
Those are my only concerns for this summer. Power of frienship crew needs to go.
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