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    Uh Matchman go log onto your clutchcity website or whatever the its called. Half the idiot posters in their think they are going to win a ring because they beat a depleted Laker squad.

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    who said 22 game winning streak = championship?
    sour grapes
    The way Rockets fans are blowing their load left and right, you'd think they were on the verge of winning Team of the Decade.

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    The way Rockets fans are blowing their load left and right, you'd think they were on the verge of winning Team of the Decade.
    The way your team has been blowing big games lately you'd think you actually have a chance at a Ring this year.

    Oh and unless your the spurs, your team hasn't dont jack over the last half decade. The Lake has more rape trial/payoffs then they do playoff series wins since Diesel left. Suck on that. I kinda hope that by some twist of fate the Lakers and suns play in the first round again with the roles reversed. Cause when Shaq and the Suns roll this team again in the playoffs, I can't wait to see Kobe's tirade in the summer.

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    The way your team has been blowing big games lately you'd think you actually have a chance at a Ring this year.



    Wait till the Lakers are healthy then we'll see what happens.

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    Wait till the Lakers are healthy then we'll see what happens.

    Last I checked this game gives the Rockets the Series...this year. Suck on dem eggs.

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    Uh Matchman go log onto your clutchcity website or whatever the its called. Half the idiot posters in their think they are going to win a ring because they beat a depleted Laker squad.
    Thats like somekind of irony isn't it. You calling anyone else a idiot poster...lol.


    Funny that the guy who called out the Rockets for losing their streak tonight even "without" your superstar Turiaf center Bynum, created a post on it, is calling anyone an idiot.


    Lastly, I could see if you were a spurs fan talking junk, with multiple les recently. a suns fan due to their multiple high win seasons and deep playoff runs, or even a mavs fan who got to the ticket a few seasons ago, but a first round every year Lakers squad who could only win by buying shaq and since then have been the mid 2000's version of the Minnesota Timberwolves????

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    Last I checked this game gives the Rockets the Series...this year. Suck on dem eggs.
    Don't forget to add that trophy to your case

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    Damn Rocket fans are annoying as . Not only do they talk , they're ing dumb as rocks.

    LMAO at anyone who thinks Ronny Turiaf = Andrew Bynum at the C position. Goddamn you are stupid.

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    Don't forget to add that trophy to your case
    We got a couple to hang our head on. No sweat. Ill take beating up on the crappy wish they were Lakers for a this year.

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    Thats like somekind of irony isn't it. You calling anyone else a idiot poster...lol.


    Funny that the guy who called out the Rockets for losing their streak tonight even "without" your superstar Turiaf center Bynum, created a post on it, is calling anyone an idiot.


    Lastly, I could see if you were a spurs fan talking junk, with multiple les recently. a suns fan due to their multiple high win seasons and deep playoff runs, or even a mavs fan who got to the ticket a few seasons ago, but a first round every year Lakers squad who could only win by buying shaq and since then have been the mid 2000's version of the Minnesota Timberwolves????
    HAHHA, man the idiocy never stops with you. Now 2 rings is some how greater than 14? HAHHAHA, please this is too much.

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    Damn I need to start logging some of these idiotic posts by DreamShake.

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    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    I'm loving the smack talk b/w fans of two team that's not gonna win this season.

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    Damn Rocket fans are annoying as . Not only do they talk , they're ing dumb as rocks.

    LMAO at anyone who thinks Ronny Turiaf = Andrew Bynum at the C position. Goddamn you are stupid.

    Moron. Can you not read. I told you that you were overrating Bynum and that not having Bynum didn't cost you this game, as Turiaf gave you exactly what Bynum would of.

    Now, for a good example of good basketball stupidity..."You can't win a Chip without a dominant inside presence"

    As already noted, you were way off, which you haven't addressed yet. Jordan, Johnson, and Pistons. Also....LOL...to you for thinking Bynum is an "inside" presence.

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    Besides 2006, the Mavs have been a very dissapointing team in the playoffs. They've been the classic great regular season team which underwhelms in Spring.
    They have a track record that every team in the West lacks except San Antonio. I don't count the Lakers because the Shaq/Kobe team isn't in existence anymore

    On Dampier, Devean George, Wright, Lue, etc: Dampier is simply not a good or impactful basketball player. He's not a shotblocker, not a great rebounder, a 0 offensively, and basically a stiff.
    He's a good rebounder and he does a good job of bodying up and defending opposing centers, and his offensive impact with Kidd has been bolstered. We don't beat the Spurs without him in 2006, he's that important. Dallas fans like to about him because 7 points and 7 rebounds a game in 30 minutes for $10 million a year, but he is absolutely a big part of the reason Dallas is a better defensive team than they were in the Shawn Bradley days.

    You know very well that Lue (has he even played yet?)
    Yes, he has, and he's Kidd's backup. He's been exactly as advertised: a great 3-point shooter who can run the offense better than JJ Barea when Kidd is getting a breather.

    and Wright are not even rotational players on Dallas so they just aren't a factor in how the team is built.
    Tell Avery that, because he's using them and they're playing well off the bench.


    However, dont let the rankings fool you. The Mavs may be 10th defensively but they do not have a strong perimeter defender or a strong post defender.
    I don't let the rankings fool me, I watch the games. Dallas is a decent to good defensive team, not a great one.

    And after Dampier, who is always in foul trouble or cant be kept on the court for heavy minutes (35-40) because he's so bad offensively,
    He's that bad huh? Great offensive rebounder who can keep possessions alive, having more of an offensive impact with Kidd, can defend opposing bigs as well as anybody not named Marcus Camby, can't stay on the court?


    Look at every big matchup Dallas had in the 5 game stretch with Kidd. They were embarassed defensively.
    97 points given up to San Antonio? 93 points given up to LA in regulation? That was the common thread? They were embarrassed? Those other three games, Kidd's first game as a Maverick after one practice with his team, missing Dirk Nowitzki, or playing at Utah for the fourth time in five nights, those are mitigating factors.

    Like it or not, the Kidd trade made them weaker defensively. Harris could stay with quicker PG's, didnt get beat off the dribble as much or often as Kidd.
    Deron Williams went for 17 points and 20 assists against J-Kidd, whereas he put up 41 on Devin Harris. Chris Paul put 33 points and 11 assists on Devin Harris. Harris' speed is great for a one-man fastbreak. Why don't you ask Baron Davis or Dwyane Wade if they think Devin Harris can guard them?

    While Phoenix also has issues defensively, the reason I have them as a sleeper is they are really coming on lately.
    Sacramento and Memphis don't count. Golden State was on the 2nd night of a back to back. They simply outhustled San Antonio with their entire season on the line. Funny how defense doesn't matter for Phoenix, but it does for Dallas. Kidd is a lousy defender who can't keep quick PGs in front of him? Well, what about Steve Nash?



    Also, they DO Have a very good perimeter defender in Raja Bell who can affect the Kobe's, Manu's, TMac's, etc.
    And it used to be that he didn't have to take the opposing team's best winger scorer the entire game, he had Marion to take turns on his man. Raja Bell is not the same player he has been, he's clearly struggling to hold up without Marion to alleviate some of that burden.

    They also have Shaq, who unlike Dampier, can still be intimidating defensively.
    And he has to sit out half the time in foul trouble and is of no use against up-tempo teams. He helps them in their one matchup against a team they couldn't handle, San Antonio. They didn't even bother to use him in crunchtime against Golden State. They've basically got Shaq for San Antonio, and against everybody else, they have to hope Boris Diaw can give them what Marion did. That aint gonna work.

    Ultimately, the reason I pick the Suns over Dallas is Steve Nash: The guy has the heart of a champion and he will not go down without a fight. Kidd is a great PG too, but Nash is closer to the top of his game than Kidd is IMO.
    Kidd is just as much the compe or Nash is, and it's ridiculous to suggest Kidd's defense is down in the depths with Steve Nash. Nash is a better outside shooter, Kidd is a better defender. That's the difference.

    I also have a hard time ever betting against Shaq in the playoffs. The guy steps it up come May and June, always has
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    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    I'm loving the smack talk b/w fans of two team that's not gonna win this season.
    Says the fan of the team with Zero trophies in their case, and no shot this year...again.

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    They have a track record that every team in the West lacks except San Antonio. I don't count the Lakers because the Shaq/Kobe team isn't in existence anymore



    He's a good rebounder and he does a good job of bodying up and defending opposing centers, and his offensive impact with Kidd has been bolstered. We don't beat the Spurs without him in 2006, he's that important. Dallas fans like to about him because 7 points and 7 rebounds a game in 30 minutes for $10 million a year, but he is absolutely a big part of the reason Dallas is a better defensive team than they were in the Shawn Bradley days.


    Yes, he has, and he's Kidd's backup. He's been exactly as advertised: a great 3-point shooter who can run the offense better than JJ Barea when Kidd is getting a breather.



    Tell Avery that, because he's using them and they're playing well off the bench.




    I don't let the rankings fool me, I watch the games. Dallas is a decent to good defensive team, not a great one.



    He's that bad huh? Great offensive rebounder who can keep possessions alive, having more of an offensive impact with Kidd, can defend opposing bigs as well as anybody not named Marcus Camby, can't stay on the court?



    97 points given up to San Antonio? 93 points given up to LA in regulation? That was the common thread? They were embarrassed? Those other three games, Kidd's first game as a Maverick after one practice with his team, missing Dirk Nowitzki, or playing at Utah for the fourth time in five nights, those are mitigating factors.



    Deron Williams went for 17 points and 20 assists against J-Kidd, whereas he put up 41 on Devin Harris. Chris Paul put 33 points and 11 assists on Devin Harris. Harris' speed is great for a one-man fastbreak. Why don't you ask Baron Davis or Dwyane Wade if they think Devin Harris can guard them?



    Sacramento and Memphis don't count. Golden State was on the 2nd night of a back to back. They simply outhustled San Antonio with their entire season on the line. Funny how defense doesn't matter for Phoenix, but it does for Dallas. Kidd is a lousy defender who can't keep quick PGs in front of him? Well, what about Steve Nash?





    And it used to be that he didn't have to take the opposing team's best winger scorer the entire game, he had Marion to take turns on his man. Raja Bell is not the same player he has been, he's clearly struggling to hold up without Marion to alleviate some of that burden.



    And he has to sit out half the time in foul trouble and is of no use against up-tempo teams. He helps them in their one matchup against a team they couldn't handle, San Antonio. They didn't even bother to use him in crunchtime against Golden State. They've basically got Shaq for San Antonio, and against everybody else, they have to hope Boris Diaw can give them what Marion did. That aint gonna work.



    Kidd is just as much the compe or Nash is, and it's ridiculous to suggest Kidd's defense is down in the depths with Steve Nash. Nash is a better outside shooter, Kidd is a better defender. That's the difference.



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    hey man...this thread is about the Rockettes and the Faking whiners.

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    I'm not talking about 2006. In 2006 Diop was effective in guarding Duncan and later Shaq. He didnt play a ton of minutes but was still important as a rotational player.


    Yeah, Dampier wore Duncan down for the entire regulation of Game 7, then Diop comes off the bench after having not played, and all of the sudden Diop is the Duncan Stopper. Diop with fresh legs vs Timmy who had played the entire game. Dampier did the work but Diop got the glory.

    Who would you rather have containing a PG like Parker, Paul, or Deron Williams? Harris or Kidd?
    Considering they've lit up both Harris and Kidd, I'd rather have Kidd. Jason Kidd > Devin Harris period. This is still 2008, not 2010.

    I dont have the game scores, but I remember the Mavs really struggling on D when they faced that 5 game stretch of LAL, NOH, SAS, HOU after the Kidd trade. It seemed like they were giving up 100 plus each night.
    97 to San Antonio, 93 in regulation to LA, 101 to New Orleans, 116 to Utah, 113 to Houston. Keep masturbating over those games, things are going to change.

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    We got a couple to hang our head on. No sweat. Ill take beating up on the crappy wish they were Lakers for a this year.



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    So they allowed an average of 104 PPG. That's not good.

    Besides the LA game, I'd say they sucked defensively every game.

    97 Points is a good offensive game for SAS. 113 to Houston is ridiculous.

    Your whole argument seems to be that the Mavs are not terrible defensively, but are average. I don't disagree. Problem is they have trouble defending good teams as the 104 ppg during the tough strech shows (as does last yr's playoffs and the 2006 playoffs).

    Average to slightly above avg teams dont win championships. Very good to Great defensive teams do.

    I think it's funny you mock Nash's D so much when your team's best player is Dirk Nowitzki. He's a 7 foot Steve Nash defensively, more or less.

    I dont know why you'd mention Harris' inability to guard Wade given that the role for that should fall to your 2 guard or small forward. Is it Harris' fault that Stackhouse, Terry, and Howard are just not good enough to slow down Kobe/Tmac/Wade/Manu, etc?

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    Moron. Can you not read. I told you that you were overrating Bynum and that not having Bynum didn't cost you this game, as Turiaf gave you exactly what Bynum would of.

    Now, for a good example of good basketball stupidity..."You can't win a Chip without a dominant inside presence"

    As already noted, you were way off, which you haven't addressed yet. Jordan, Johnson, and Pistons. Also....LOL...to you for thinking Bynum is an "inside" presence.
    You clearly haven't watched a single game Bynum has played all year. You wouldn't make that statement if you did. Bynum dominates against midget front courts, which is exactly what the Rockets are sans Yao.

    Lets look at some of his stats against teams with weak front courts shall we:

    12/9 against GSW - 20 pts, 11 rebounds, 5 blocks
    12/14 against GSW - 17 pts, 16 rebounds, 1 block
    12/23 against PHX - 28 pts, 12 rebounds, 2 blocks
    1/6 against IND - 23 pts, 13 rebounds, 4 blocks

    This is just a snippet of what I was able to find in 5 minutes, if you go here you can see his full stat sheet this year.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=2748

    And we all know stats don't tell you the whole story. It doesn't tell you about all the altered shots and offensive adjustments teams had to make when we had him anchoring the paint. Quite simply he made life easier for our perimeter defenders because they knew that with him down low they could afford to play defense a little tighter. It's no coincidence that our defense was significantly better when he was playing than it is right now.

    And I haven't even begun to talk about Gasol. If Odom was able to dominate in the paint, Gasol would have a field day in there. You have nobody that can D him up, unless you want to play Deke > 20 mpg which ain't happening. Quite simply your team does not matchup well with the Lakers when we have our post options.

    Next year when you get Yao back, it will be a much different story. Both our teams will be very good and it should make for an exciting matchup anytime we play.

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    I think it's funny you mock Nash's D so much when your team's best player is Dirk Nowitzki. He's a 7 foot Steve Nash defensively, more or less.
    OMG, are you serious? He'll never be an All-Defensive team candidate, but Dirk has worked his way to being a solid defender.

    Dirk is willing to get his nose dirty and smart enough to usually be where he's supposed to be on defense. He's better than he's ever been at contesting shots at the rim. Yes, Dirk will need a lot of help against Amare Stoudemire if the Mavs see the Suns in the playoffs, but name a power forward that wouldn't. And Dirk has become a good help defender.

    Remember how many layups and dunks the Mavs gave up against the Rockets? I doubt they would have been pounded in the paint like that if Dirk weren't suspended.

    He gets more steals and deflections and bothers more shots these days and his rebounding has consistently been just under 10 per game (yes, rebounding is a key part of defense).

    You don't have to take my word for Dirk's defensive improvement. Just check the stats. The Mavs allow 95 points per 48 minutes when Dirk is on the court. That's lower than every other Mav starter except Josh Howard (94.7). Nash's rep is well-deserved. Dirk's is simply outdated.

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    The way Rockets fans are blowing their load left and right, you'd think they were on the verge of winning Team of the Decade.
    Has any Rocket fan on this forum blown their load bigger than D&C has after the Gasol trade?

    He makes threads lambasting the Rockets and guarantees their defeat today, then continues to talk AFTER the Lakers lose.

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    Yeah because M J didn't play about 50 games that second season.

    He didn't make it all the way to the eastern conference finals.

    He just got beat by a good Orlando team.

    So you = the fail.


    Not to mention. The Dream had a winning record against Jordan. Even for as mediocre as the Rockets were in the late 80s and very early 90s, Dream still I believe is the only player to have a team with a winning record against MJ.

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    Please you cant even begin to compare the Rocket franchise to the storied Lakers. We've won in nearly every decade of the NBA, had two different dynasties, won 14 championships, been in half of all NBA Finals, and have the highest winning percentage of any NBA franchise. If you take away all the rings BOS won when there were like 10 teams in the league we are the best by far. Since 1970 we have been the most dominant franchise in the NBA.

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    And Dreamshake why aren't you replying to my post you stupid ? Please tell me how Ronny Turiaf = Andrew Bynum.

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