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Isiah's motto in full effect
That's where Isiah usually starts to diverge.
i highly doubt isiah will match the offer,because the original offer that the Knicks made to Butler was only worth $900,000. so i bet when Isiah heard the spurs offered him a $7 million dollar offer sheet, he flipped out. they are already gonna be paying ALOT of money next year so the knicks prolly wont sign him.
I think that was the qualifying offer they were required to make in order to keep the right to match offers. It's not necessarily indicative of how much they're willing to pay.
Ahh, beat me to it, Winnipeg. I guess I should just start reading the last page of a thread first. A lot easier to comment on the "current topic/direction" of the thread.
How bout that Ricky Bobby?
see - that makes sense, to most logically thinking folk.
but this is Isaiah Thomas we are talkign about here. turn the above statement upside down and backwards, then close 1 eye. And you will be almost 1/2 way to seeign things the way he does.
The more and more I think about this off-season the more it has grown on me.
I'm fine with the addition of Elson because I know he can run the floor very well, and beat most big men down the floor. He can shoot a jump shot, and won't back down from people down low.....basically, he's serviceable.
I like the additions of Bonner and Williams not just because they are both on the last years of their contract, but because they offer versatility. Bonner can of course shoot the three for a big man, which enables the Spurs to spread the floor and cause their own matchup problems. Williams is a solid vet, who can do the dirty work and play defense.
These guys are basically role players that are needed on championship teams. We have two stars in Ginobili and Parker, and Hall of Famer in Duncan....and these guys mentioned above all bring different things to the table, and make the team whole.
Now, enter Jackie Butler.
Right now, a lot of people are down on the Spurs front office. But, 2 years or 3 years from now, we might look back and see this as a memorable off-season. We might be calling Jackie Butler the best free agent signing ever....based on price and how we got him.
I know, when you first heard the name Jackie Butler.....the first thing that popped into many people's head was, "Who?"
That was the same reaction people in Indiana had when they recieved a young kid by the name of Jermaine O'Neal via trade. Or perhaps the same people in Detriot were saying that too, when they traded their Star in Grant Hill and got a young man by the name of Ben Wallace.
To a much lesser extent....the name DeSagana Diop comes to my mind, Joel Pryzbilla, etc.....
Some teams have plucked away All-Stars from teams and some have plucked away serviceable big men.....
Butler has all the potential to be in the category of Wallace and O'Neal.....
He's a very young kid, has great hands down low, has offensive skills, can rebound, hustles, and appears to want to win and has a great work ethic.....he has the physical tools and hopefully the desire to become a star....the thing in his corner that the other players that I mentioned above didn't have before they blew up.....was a Hall of Famer next to them.....which must have appealed to Butler and can only make him that much better.
So, I know things right now look sad, but let the picture play out, and the end result is what matters.
Bonner is going to have a hard time finding time though because he can't guard anybody or rebound. If we get Butler that might be an improvement though depending on if he can keep his weight under control.
imo people on various Spurs forums are wildly over-rating and over-hyping Jackie Butler. They are going on even less than what the saw of Javtokas.
Dude...do you HAVE to mention his weight in every post about Butler? It's becoming a forum given that you think he's fat. Give it a rest.
That's true he only played limited minutes in NY and didn't play much his rookie year. We didn't have Kareem or Wilt here before though.
They are going on even less than what the saw of Javtokas.
Thats funny, Butler playing against the Spurs, is more game action in itself than what this entire board has seen in Javtokas.
I never said he was fat. Find the post where I did. Or do you just like to make things up and pretend people said them? I never said fat just a little overweight and do you have to go on a rambling tangent every time I do? People mention Mahinmi is skinny everytime he is brought up and no one blows up. It's a weird double standard.
lolThats funny, Butler playing against the Spurs, is more game action in itself than what this entire board has seen in Javtokas.
He played, but people don't remember it. They weren't paying astute attention during a 20 point blowout. I do because I have a game taped and re-watched it and did nothing but concentrate on Butler.
Javtokas games are still available streaming online for people to re-visit.
OK I admit I was wrong in that post he's about 10-20 lbs overweight not fat. That was in the heat of an argument. Be sure to bring that up every time even though I admitted I was wrong.
Yeah, but what Butler did was in the NBA with NBA level compe ion not against random euroleague scrubs.
I like Butler never said I didn't even in that link Exstatic "owned" me on I said it.
Dude, I'm just in' with ya. I thought it was funny, though, that every time that Butler is mentioned, you bring up his weight. And while I acknowledge that you have NOW admitted it, you were denying it like 2 posts ago.
Peace out, playa.
No prob.Dude, I'm just in' with ya. I thought it was funny, though, that every time that Butler is mentioned, you bring up his weight. And while I acknowledge that you have NOW admitted it, you were denying it like 2 posts ago.
Peace out, playa.
manu did well against 'random euroleague scrubs'. Too bad we signed Manu when we could have had Jon Barry. He was proven against NBA talent, and though a bench player often was a coach's favorite and would play a lot of 4th quarters.Yeah, but what Butler did was in the NBA with NBA level compe ion not against random euroleague scrubs.
Manu signed for the LLE to prove himself before he got paid. What people don't realize is that the LLE is MORE than late first round picks make. When Manu signed for the LLE ($1.4M in 2002) he was making about double Parker's salary. If that isn't enough for you to come to the NBA, then off, and stay in Europe. SA isn't asking them to lock in long term at that rate, just play 2 years to show what they can do, and THEN they can ask for money.
For every Manu, you have a Jasickevicius and a Masijauskaus that won't cut the mus . Only a fool buys a big in a poke.
so did they pay Oberto the LLE?SA isn't asking them to lock in long term at that rate, just play 2 years to show what they can do, and THEN they can ask for money.
Oh snap, they paid him more. Ooops.
And where's the do entation the Spurs offered Javtokas the LLE?
They aren't offering it to anyone else.
And did or did not Manu play against 'random euroleague scrubs'? This comment is in direct relation to people not remembering anything about Butler in the regular season in mostly blowouts compared to seeing Javtokas highlights playing in the Euroleague or in the LKL online streaming where in the finals he played against another euroleague team.
Unrelated to salary and the LLE and such.
Oberto's stupid in hindsight contract ($7.5 million/3yrs) certainly didn't help any in the negotiations with Jav/Scola either.
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