Spurs' future draft picks

[AFBlue]

I guess if the Spurs do try to trade Scola or Oberto to move up, they have the potential to replace them with the Milwakee pick...surely 16 of the first 30 picks won't be F/C. Still, I'd only like to see a trade if it gets the Spurs a lottery-type talent.

[venitian navigator]

I guess if the Spurs do try to trade Scola or Oberto to move up, they have the potential to replace them with the Milwakee pick...surely 16 of the first 30 picks won't be F/C. Still, I'd only like to see a trade if it gets the Spurs a lottery-type talent.

I disagree...and I'll tell you that, to me, is difficult to imagine a c/pf with more experience and skill set than Scola in the 16 above mentioned. He's probably better and, however, more ready for a le ride, in this moment, than all of them, except, maybe, three or four (I see only Oden and Durant, maybe Hibbert and Noah).
I agree in the sense that, if we really have to move up using the Scola rights, it has to be, at least, in the lottery...but I'm not sure it will be possible to take one of the first 6/7, so I'm not sure we'll draft, in case, a c/pf (the four above mentioned, IMHO, will be gone after choice nummber 7).
In fact, I think in summer we'll probably take a very good look at Javtokas too...I see his skills more adapt for nba (and particulary for our kind of defense) than euroleague, and he played very little time with Panathinaikos this year (I wonder if it could be possible to trade Butler to the Pana for him...).
So, at least, we could have the five big man like : Duncan, Scola, Oberto, Javtokas, Elson (and Horry, if he don't retires).

[TDMVPDPOY]

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if the top 16 picks are going on bigs, i dont want to see the spurs waste a pick trading to get a big for the future. This spurs team is about buiding to win now, so i see why they should keep scola, but his price tag though.

save the picks and draft on needs, im pretty sure there are serviceable big men in the league that could come cheap.

The bulls brown is talkin about retirement, if we can talk him out of it, he should sign with the spurs on the cheap to win a ring....

we need guys who contribute now, not in the n future.

[mountainballer]

For some reason he reminded me of a shorter Moses Malone. The same relentless drive to rebound maybe. And I guess he sorta looks like him. I know this isn't a priority but somebody gonna get a good sleeper in Richards.

deep as this draft is, I can't see Richards get drafted.
one nice game and the argument, that he would have played more, if he didn't have to play behind Horford and Noah, won't be enough.
a player like Haslem did play a far more important role at college and didn't get drafted (in an average year) either, because teams didn't see enough size and talent. even players like Glen Davis are expected to fall to mid 2nd round and at the end of 2nd round there are still some bigs teams can gamble on, with more upside. (Begic, Watkins, Teletovic, etc.)

[mountainballer]

The bulls brown is talkin about retirement, if we can talk him out of it, he should sign with the spurs on the cheap to win a ring....

I guess that's what most Spurs fans thought. he would be great in a Kevin Willis role for another season or two.
but if he is willing to add one more season (on a vet minimum contract) to get that chance for a ring, that will be some other teams, with likely better chances trying to get him, namely his hometown team Pistons (to repleace Davis).
however, even at 38 he would be great for this 10 minutes role.

[mountainballer]

In fact, with so many PF prospects in this draft, I'm not sure the Spurs would have to trade up if they wanted to snag a good one....there should be enough to go around on draft day.

that was the point, why I would hesitate to invest the Buck's pick in a trade up scenario. it would move us up for 3 or 4 spots.
as you say, there should still enough go around in this area, that I would prefer to get two players than one.
IMO this scenario has more upside.
and I'm sure we would go crazy, if we trade up to get a player, who would still have been there and meanwhile we see another nice prospect slip to the Buck's pick.
it's just my gut, but I think this draft contains several Boozers, Varejaos, Lewises and Redds.
FO should better do some extra hours in scouting this year.

[AFBlue]

My main points in response to responses....

1. I wasn't saying that the Spurs should trade up FOR a big. I was saying that if the Spurs traded up to get a Corey Brewer/Jeff Green type using a guy like Scola, I think they could pick up a PF later.

2. While there are few Power Forwards with Scola's experience, I can think of at least one that has EXACTLY the same game. Tyler Hansbrough is a slightly undersized, mildly athletic, banger in the paint with great post moves, a nose for the ball, and a fiery determination much like Scola. I'm not saying he'll be there at 35, but he's one example of a PF the could be very good on this Spurs team. "Big Baby" Davis is another guy in that mold, although he's got nice touch from midrange as well.

3. One final observation....I don't think the Spurs look at adding Javtokas (IMO, that ship has sailed), and I find it hard to believe that Mahinmi will be added either (though it's tough to see where he'll go if Pau isn't taking him back). It's the same reason why it will be tough to bring Scola over this summer AND add two american players via the draft.....the roster crunch. With only 15 spots and, as of now, 11 of them filled (assuming Ely, Bonner, and JV are not re-signed and Horry retires or is let go). I'd say it's a good bet that two of those are re-signed, and if the Spurs add Scola, that leaves room for only one prospect via the draft. CAVEAT....Unless the Spurs draft an international prospect with either of the first two picks. This is the reason I'm hard up for drafting Rudy Fernandez or Marco Belinelli as both will be able to stay overseas for at least one more season, while the roster crunch fixes itself.

[Bruno]

One thing to consider about Mahinmi is that unlike with Scola, Spurs aren't at all in the driver seat with Mahinmi.
If Spurs want to let him one more year in Europe and if Mahinmi really wants to come in nba this summer, Spurs are screwed. Spurs will have no other choice than signing him, trading him (and he has a very low trade value after his bad season) or renouncing to his draft rights.

[AFBlue]

One thing to consider about Mahinmi is that unlike with Scola, Spurs aren't at all in the driver seat with Mahinmi.
If Spurs want to let him one more year in Europe and if Mahinmi really wants to come in nba this summer, Spurs are screwed. Spurs will have no other choice than signing him, trading him (and he has a very low trade value after his bad season) or renouncing to his draft rights.

I fail to see where the difference is between Scola and Mahinmi as far as bargaining position is concerned. They still own his rights...

[ducks]

Mahinmi only signed a one year deal did he not
and that is what the spurs said
trading him however would be foolish because his value is not that high

[AFBlue]

Mahinmi only signed a one year deal did he not
and that is what the spurs said
trading him however would be foolish because his value is not that high

And he could sign another one-year deal after this season with Pau, or with another team.

[Bruno]

I fail to see where the difference is between Scola and Mahinmi as far as bargaining position is concerned. They still own his rights...

The difference is that Mahinmi is a first round pick.
To keep draft rights, a team must offer each summer a contract to the player.
For Scola, it can be a one year non guaranteed contractbecause he is a second round pick. Scola can't pay his buyout with this contract and he will never come in nba with that kind of contract given his level in nba.
For Mahinmi, it's a first round pick contract with two guaranteed years and he will accept it.

[ducks]

he seems to want to do what spurs want him to do
he could sign another year someplace else or he could sign with the spurs play in the d league and the nba

[AFBlue]

The difference is that Mahinmi is a first round pick.
To keep draft rights, a team must offer each summer a contract to the player.
For Scola, it can be a one year non guaranteed contractbecause he is a second round pick. Scola can't pay his buyout with this contract and he will never come in nba with that kind of contract given his level in nba.
For Mahinmi, it's a first round pick contract with two guaranteed years and he will accept it.

Wow, that's a good piece of information. I knew he was a first round pick, but I didn't know there was a requirement levied by the league to offer the international first-rounders a contract every year. That's interesting....

No way he turns down guaranteed money to come overseas....even if he'll only play in the NBDL.

[Bruno]

Mahinmi has signed a two years contract with Pau but there is likely an opt out close in his contract for the nba at the end of the first year.

[AFBlue]

Mahinmi has signed a two years contract with Pau but there is likely an opt out close in his contract for the nba at the end of the first year.

Bruno bringing the heat once again....filled with good info today.

So no buyout?

[Bruno]

Wow, that's a good piece of information. I knew he was a first round pick, but I didn't know there was a requirement levied by the league to offer the international first-rounders a contract every year. That's interesting....

No way he turns down guaranteed money to come overseas....even if he'll only play in the NBDL.

I've learned that point of the CBA few days ago.

And it's not only for international players. Two years ago, Bulls wanted that Chris Duhon plays overseas before coming back with them but he wanted to play in nba. Bulls have made the one year non guaranteed offer to keep his nba rights and Duhon signed it.

[Bruno]

Bruno bringing the heat once again....filled with good info today.

So no buyout?

I don't know if he has a buyout.

[AFBlue]

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[AFBlue]

All this makes a trade of current player or draft pick more likely. Seeing as how the Spurs are chock full of old scrubs, I would hope to see current rosterlings get shipped out rather than a prospective draft prospect.

[AFBlue]

So wait....did the Spurs offer Mahinmi a contract the year he was drafted? Would they have to make an offer to Rudy or Marco if they drafted them in the first round this year?

[Bruno]

So wait....did the Spurs offer Mahinmi a contract the year he was drafted? Would they have to make an offer to Rudy or Marco if they drafted them in the first round this year?

Yes and yes.

[AFBlue]

Yes and yes.

There goes my theory about drafting an international player, unless that player has an understanding that they would be left overseas until 2008. I wonder how likely that is with a player like Rudy or Marco. Rudy is still under contract though, right?

Here's a question....if a player gets selected in the first round (therefore having a guarantee rookie-scale contract), but has a buyout (of which the NBA team can only pay $500,000), how does the difference in money work itself out...does the international player give money from his own pocket to pay the buyout, or do both parties agree to ?

The reason I ask, is that a guy like Rudy Fernandez might have a buyout next year...

[wildbill2u]

deep as this draft is, I can't see Richards get drafted.
one nice game and the argument, that he would have played more, if he didn't have to play behind Horford and Noah, won't be enough.
a player like Haslem did play a far more important role at college and didn't get drafted (in an average year) either, because teams didn't see enough size and talent. even players like Glen Davis are expected to fall to mid 2nd round and at the end of 2nd round there are still some bigs teams can gamble on, with more upside. (Begic, Watkins, Teletovic, etc.)

Actually, he played well in all the games of the tournament. In fact, I think he shot something like 22-27 combined, not counting FTs (and he made some clutch FTs down the stretch for Fla. until he fouled out.) He made a big contribution in both the last two games that I watched. And remember the caliber of player he was matched with (Oden)

Don't you agree he'd be starting and getting more props if he played anywhere but Fla where he's a 6th man because of the starter's high talent level. At that he was 6th man of the year in the conference. I'm not saying he's gonna go in the first two rounds, but I like him and I still think he's a sleeper for some team, but we probably don't need a PF right now.

[Mr. Body]

Richards could go overlooked and go undrafted like Haslem did. (Haslem was in our camp at one point and we didn't have room for him.) A brawny guy with strength and some skill could be very useful, although we don't have a lot of roster space. I'd take him immediately over Jackie Butler and would be glad to see the Spurs use their late pick on him.