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  1. #376
    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    He still has a lot of trade value. I'm just glad he'll be gone soon. Of course he'll revitalize his career elsewhere and the Mavs will be criticized for trading him away, but the fact of the matter is that he quit on this franchise a long time ago and has been mailing it for a while now. He's become another set-shot Michael Finley instead of the "next Scottie Pippen."
    I don't see how he has much trade value at all now. He's making an ass of himself in front of the whole nation, on and off the court.

    I figured that with the Bobcats somewhat wanting to dump off J-Rich's contract, maybe we could have something there, but there's no way in they make any trade for Smokey.

    When Smokey is finally out of here, it will be for 25 cents on the dollar.

  2. #377
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    I don't see how he has much trade value at all now. He's making an ass of himself in front of the whole nation, on and off the court.

    I figured that with the Bobcats somewhat wanting to dump off J-Rich's contract, maybe we could have something there, but there's no way in they make any trade for Smokey.

    When Smokey is finally out of here, it will be for 25 cents on the dollar.
    He's from NC and I bet the Bobcats would love to have him. The whole weed thing is nothing new, volunteering to talk about it during a playoff series is, but most team executives take the long view.

  3. #378
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    I still say Cuban sells the team. The new owner says that Dallas is too close to OKC, so he moves the team to Seattle.

  4. #379
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    I still say Cuban sells the team. The new owner says that Dallas is too close to OKC, so he moves the team to Seattle.
    Haha, as long as that meant that mean we could adopt the Spurs?

    From a recent Simmons article:
    19. Once you choose a team, you're stuck with that team for the rest of your life ... unless one of the following conditions applies:

    Your team moves to another city. All bets are off when that happens. In fact, if you decided to turn off that sport entirely, nobody would blame you.

  5. #380
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    HAHA

    Mark Cuban should hire Avery to a lifetime contract. Yes all Rockets and Spurs fans would appreciate that

  6. #381
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    I thought that Dirk/Kidd deserved another shot, but I've changed my mind.



    It's time.

  7. #382
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    Dirk to Miami for their 1st round pick?

    I think Miami would consider it. A trio of Dirk/Wade/Marion is a playoff team in the East.

  8. #383
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    It's not time to "press the button". But a few cruise missiles will be needed.

    It's pretty obvious Toke doesn't want to be here anymore. I know he isn't regarded as smart but he has been mailing it in since Devin was traded. How much value does he have left? I doubt it's much at all. Do any of you think in a new setting he will actually figure out that a game is more than 2 periods?

    Kill me now.

    Avery is gone for sure too. This team is a mess. A total mess.

    I was on board with the Kidd trade but I would like to reverse my endorsement. I want our young, quick, flopping PG back.

  9. #384
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    We can rebuild with Beasley or Rose. We'll likely have another high lottery pick the next season as well. We can still dump Kidd & Smokey for additional draft picks/expiring contracts too. Maybe we can get out of salary cap and make an offer to Kevin Durant once his rookie contract is up. There's no way he wants to play in OKC.

    What's funny is for about 5 seconds I actually thought the above paragraph could happen.

  10. #385
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    He's from NC and I bet the Bobcats would love to have him. The whole weed thing is nothing new, volunteering to talk about it during a playoff series is, but most team executives take the long view.
    Also J-Ho is under the "Jordan Brand" so add that to his NC ties and pefect fit....J-ho 4 J-Rich

  11. #386
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    Dirk to Miami for their 1st round pick?

    I think Miami would consider it. A trio of Dirk/Wade/Marion is a playoff team in the East.
    If we were under the cap we could trade Josh for a pick. But at this point it would probably be a 2nd rounder at best. I know you get down on Dirk easily but he's the only consistent thing we have going for us right now.

  12. #387
    In Dirk We Trust sribb43's Avatar
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    I thought that Dirk/Kidd deserved another shot, but I've changed my mind.



    It's time.
    they desevere another shot with a compitent coach, not one that should be coaching High School ball in Class A

  13. #388
    Wanna kill all Humans? u2sarajevo's Avatar
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    they desevere another shot with a compitent coach, not one that should be coaching High School ball in Class A
    Truth is that as long as we have Dirk we have a shot.

    Dirk for Kobe..... anyone remember that? I wonder if that was truly on the table. I wonder what Kobe would be doing about Avery if he were here.

  14. #389
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    Truth is that as long as we have Dirk we have a shot.

    Dirk for Kobe..... anyone remember that? I wonder if that was truly on the table. I wonder what Kobe would be doing about Avery if he were here.
    I know most people hate the way Kobe acts, but for all his whining and threatening to leave and prima donna behavior, he got exactly what he wanted. Now he's about to win another le.

    Dirk needs to be less of a team guy and start making more demands.

  15. #390
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    I think Cuban needs to do everything he can to dump off all contracts by the time Durant becomes a free agent, and then blow him away with an offer. Or offer to blow him. Whatever gets him to sign with the Mavs.

  16. #391
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    I know most people hate the way Kobe acts, but for all his whining and threatening to leave and prima donna behavior, he got exactly what he wanted. Now he's about to win another le.

    Dirk needs to be less of a team guy and start making more demands.
    Unfortunately I think the closest we will get to that is when Dirk was calling out Dampier in the year after Nash was traded during the playoffs.

    Euro's need to start taking charge, I think. Become selfish. The great ones have proven thats what is needed to improve your team. If you are the best on your team, make it your team don't just sit back and accept what the front office force feeds you.

    Although I think Dirk was on board with Kidd. But I've seen no proof that Dirk was asking for the trade to occur.

  17. #392
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    Truth is that as long as we have Dirk we have a shot.

    Dirk for Kobe..... anyone remember that? I wonder if that was truly on the table. I wonder what Kobe would be doing about Avery if he were here.

    It was never on the table. Kobe did not whine like a to get out of LA so he could come here and play with Josh Howard and Jason Terry. He wanted to play with Dirk.

  18. #393
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    This is farfetched, but as far as I can see, the only hope for a championship run in the near future.

    Dump every non-expiring contract next season, except for Dirk. If you have to wait till the trade deadline, do it. You can't tell me a contender who needs a good shooter to get over the top won't make a deal for Terry at the deadline. If a team is in need of something down low, you can't tell me a contender on the brink won't go after Dampier.

    Make Gasol type bull trades, just dump off all salary from this team except for Dirk.

    And then when his rookie contract is up, you throw the ing kitchen sink at Kevin Durant. There's no way he'll want to keep playing in that hole OKC.

    You get Durant, you've still got a 32 or 33 year old Dirk who should still have another few good years left, and by then you should have a decent foundation of role players through trades & draft picks.

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    Although I think Dirk was on board with Kidd. But I've seen no proof that Dirk was asking for the trade to occur.
    Just curious, what do all the pro-Kidd-trade guys and gals on "dallas-mavs.com" think of the deal now? I remember how virulently supportive they were of the trade.

  20. #395
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    fire avery... trade j kidd.. trade josh howard and his bags of weed

  21. #396
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    Just curious, what do all the pro-Kidd-trade guys and gals on "dallas-mavs.com" think of the deal now? I remember how virulently supportive they were of the trade.
    What do you care, Suns fan? Your team is done too.

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    This is farfetched, but as far as I can see, the only hope for a championship run in the near future.

    Dump every non-expiring contract next season, except for Dirk. If you have to wait till the trade deadline, do it. You can't tell me a contender who needs a good shooter to get over the top won't make a deal for Terry at the deadline. If a team is in need of something down low, you can't tell me a contender on the brink won't go after Dampier.

    Make Gasol type bull trades, just dump off all salary from this team except for Dirk.

    And then when his rookie contract is up, you throw the ing kitchen sink at Kevin Durant. There's no way he'll want to keep playing in that hole OKC.

    You get Durant, you've still got a 32 or 33 year old Dirk who should still have another few good years left, and by then you should have a decent foundation of role players through trades & draft picks.
    I really like this scenario. Email it to Cuban. That would be an interesting lineup - a true crafty vet with gas in the tank with future Dirk, a star in Durant, and three solid caddies.

    But don't you feel close now? The reigning (as of today) MVP, a Hall of Fame point, an All-Star caliber talent with a big mouth, and an emerging potential starter in Bass? Two years removed from the Finals?

    I think you need to stop tinkering and let the guys you got do their thing, but if not, chasing Durant is a great idea.

  23. #398
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    Donnie Nelson was just on with the Ticket in Dallas. Here's a few points he made.

    1. They won't promote anybody from within the organization to head coach.
    2. They absolutely won't hire a college coach (meaning no Coach K or Tom Izzo)
    3. Nobody on the team is "untouchable" meaning Dirk could be traded, but...
    4. They still want to build around the "Big 3" of Dirk, Kidd, and Howard.

    The only one that really sounds like BS is #4, and only partially. There's no doubt Howard is outta here.

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    This is farfetched, but as far as I can see, the only hope for a championship run in the near future.

    Dump every non-expiring contract next season, except for Dirk. If you have to wait till the trade deadline, do it. You can't tell me a contender who needs a good shooter to get over the top won't make a deal for Terry at the deadline. If a team is in need of something down low, you can't tell me a contender on the brink won't go after Dampier.

    Make Gasol type bull trades, just dump off all salary from this team except for Dirk.

    And then when his rookie contract is up, you throw the ing kitchen sink at Kevin Durant. There's no way he'll want to keep playing in that hole OKC.

    You get Durant, you've still got a 32 or 33 year old Dirk who should still have another few good years left, and by then you should have a decent foundation of role players through trades & draft picks.

    I would make one major change; otherwise, I like your overall approach. The Mavs really need, and have always needed, a center who could carry the scoring load. If the Mavs had someone with a legitimate low post game that demanded the attention of a defensive big, this would have an immediate impact. It would open up Dirk's game and relieve a lot of the scoring burden on him. It would also allow Dirk to operate in the elbow area where he is most effective. His deficiencies in post defense sort of become moot, as well.

    Your plan is feasible and realistic. My plan is problematic in that above-average centers aren't exactly easy to find. This is what aggravates me about some Spurs fans. Yes, you have a great organization, and it sets the right tone/at ude. Yes, you have some of the most exciting and dynamic guards in the league. Yes, your players know how to stay out of the police blotter. And all that would mean diddley squat without Tim Duncan. Having a big with a true big man's skill set in all facets of the game is irreplacable.

    As I have said here before too many times, Pacers fans used to rag on Rik Smits. , he would be an MVP candidate in today's league.

  25. #400
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    Donnie Nelson was just on with the Ticket in Dallas. Here's a few points he made.

    1. They won't promote anybody from within the organization to head coach.
    2. They absolutely won't hire a college coach (meaning no Coach K or Tom Izzo)
    3. Nobody on the team is "untouchable" meaning Dirk could be traded, but...
    4. They still want to build around the "Big 3" of Dirk, Kidd, and Howard.

    The only one that really sounds like BS is #4, and only partially. There's no doubt Howard is outta here.
    They should make Del Harris or Paul Westphal the coach imo, but if they are determined to get a coach from outside the organization they should check on Rudy Tomjanovich.

    If Howard is brought back Mavs fans should riot. Simple as that.

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