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    If only Dirk had slapped West's hands away....we'd be worrying about the Spurs right now. Slapping West's hands away is the best defense against Chris Paul on the p'n'r.

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    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...h.3935159.html

    Van Gundy is out. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

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    Sources: Ex-Pacers, Pistons coach Carlisle interviews for Mavs' job
    By Marc Stein
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    Updated: May 3, 2008, 12:38 AM ET

    Former Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons coach Rick Carlisle was the first person to interview for the Dallas Mavericks' coaching vacancy, meeting Thursday with Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson, according to NBA front-office sources.

    Sources told ESPN.com that Mavs owner Mark Cuban was not scheduled to participate in Carlisle's first interview for the job.

    ESPN.com reported Thursday that Nelson was Cuban's first choice to succeed Avery Johnson as coach, but club sources say that Nelson does not want to leave his personnel post and that Cuban will not try to force Nelson to reconsider. In an interview Thursday with ESPN Radio's Dallas affiliate [KESN 103.3 FM], Nelson did not dispute the idea that the job would already be his if he wanted it but also insisted, "I think there's better candidates out there."

    Sources say Dallas also has an interest in interviewing Jeff Van Gundy, who, like Carlisle, has been working as a TV analyst for ESPN since his last coaching job. But Van Gundy reiterated Friday that he's "not interested in coaching anywhere [next season] due to family reasons." Van Gundy added that the Mavericks have not contacted him, but it is well known in Mavericks circles that Cuban is a Van Gundy fan and vice versa.

    Nelson told The Dallas Morning News in Friday's editions that the Mavs would "show some patience in our search because, after the first round, there could be some very good candidates available."

    Phoenix's Mike D'Antoni, Detroit's Flip Saunders and Washington's Eddie Jordan have been mentioned as Dallas candidates under those cir stances, although there have been no indications that either Saunders or Jordan is facing an immediate threat to his current job.

    D'Antoni was scheduled to meet with Suns president Steve Kerr and owner Robert Sarver on Friday, with D'Antoni's departure from the Suns widely expected. ESPN.com reported Friday that Chicago is D'Antoni's most likely landing spot if he leaves the Suns, although Dallas and the New York Knicks have strong interest as well.

    Carlisle, meanwhile, also interviewed with the Knicks and new team president Donnie Walsh this week, according to a Friday report by the New York Post's Peter Vecsey. Another ESPN analyst -- former Knicks guard Mark Jackson -- remains the consensus favorite to land the New York job.

    Forecasting the outcome of the search for Johnson's successor in Dallas, however, is considerably tougher. For all Cuban's perceived volatility, this is the first time he has fired a coach and the first time he is considering external candidates.

    Cuban inherited Don Nelson as a coach when he assumed ownership control of the Mavs in January 2000, and he ultimately gave Nelson two contract extensions after they hit it off in those first few months together. Cuban then targeted Johnson as Nelson's replacement when Johnson was still a player and assistant coach, repeatedly observing Johnson's ability to lead and motivate from his daily seat near the Dallas bench. Don Nelson, furthermore, asked out more than he was pushed out in March 2005.

    But giving this big job to someone he knows that well, as he likes to do in all his businesses, doesn't seem possible for Cuban this time. Not unless Donnie Nelson -- formerly a hotshot coaching prospect before his full-time move to the front office when Johnson took over as head coach -- unexpectedly changes his mind and asks for his clipboard back.

    "My job is to get the best guy that we can get out there," Donnie Nelson said in his radio interview. "I'm on the list. I'm just the last guy, and hopefully it doesn't get to that. … I'm saying we'd have to get through a very, very long list in order for [Donnie Nelson to coach the team] and don't look for it to happen."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3379132

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    I would love to have Carlisle. He has a rep as a taskmaster, but he seems like the best balance between an offensive and defensive specialist. We need to open up the offense more, but not at the expense of paying short shrift to defense.

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    Have fun in the lottery next season

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    Have fun in the lottery next season
    Have fun getting eliminated by Tim Duncan this season.

    GTFO.

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    just checking the realgm forum alot of fans (CLE, SAC, MIL, TOR, MIA, POR) seem to still like Howard, his value really hasn't decreased by that much. The ones in Milwaukee really want a Redd for Howard and Stackhouse trade to happen.

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    The ones in Milwaukee really want a Redd for Howard and Stackhouse trade to happen.

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    I would do that in a heartbeat. Get rid of Stack's salary and open up the SF slot for Antoine Wright.

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    what is there to be surprised about? He's a one dimensional chucker who provides nothing but scoring (shooting really). omg he's the best player on a mediocre team 20 win team (debatable)...omg he scores points on a mediocre team. Howard's been the second best player on a championship contending squad. Wasn't Howard averaging 30/8/3 when Dirk was out? To tell you the truth if both players are motivated Howard provides more because he can can score nearly as well as Redd while being a disruptive presence on the defensive end.


    Redd also makes Max money. So in a few years they will be in a good situation cap wise.

    If I am the Mavs I would want (for Howard):

    1. Artest- Toughness, defense, inside scoring
    2. Marion- athleticism, defense, moves without the ball
    3. Maggette- gets to the FT line
    4. Redd- scores

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    If I am the Mavs I would want (for Howard):

    1. Artest- Toughness, defense, inside scoring
    2. Marion- athleticism, defense, moves without the ball
    3. Maggette- gets to the FT line
    4. Redd- scores
    Artest will probably opt out of his contract. No losing team will touch him, teams like the Lakers/Celtics/Spurs won't want to upset their chemistry for him since Artest would be a luxury and not a need. I wonder what kind of rel'ship he had with Carlisle or if he respected him. Because going to a Carlisle-coached Mavs team might be the best option for Artest, assuming he liked playing for him in Indiana.

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    Artest will probably opt out of his contract. No losing team will touch him, teams like the Lakers/Celtics/Spurs won't want to upset their chemistry for him since Artest would be a luxury and not a need. I wonder what kind of rel'ship he had with Carlisle or if he respected him. Because going to a Carlisle-coached Mavs team might be the best option for Artest, assuming he liked playing for him in Indiana.
    Report: Artest Likely To Remain With Kings
    April 2, 2008 - 1:34 pm
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    Ron Artest says it's likely he'll remain with the Kings next season rather than opt out of his contract, according to an ESPN.com report.

    "Most likely we won't [opt out]," Artest, speaking for himself and agent Mark Stevens, said after Tuesday's win over the Rockets, according to The Sacramento Bee.
    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...in_with_kings/

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    So now that the Bulls have the #1 pick....

    If they take Beasley, then that makes Tyrus Thomas somewhat obsolete on their team. While he may be lacking in any kind of functional brain, he's got out of this world athleticism. Would Mavs fans do a Thomas/Sefolosha for Howard trade? This is definitely risky, but we instantly get much younger & more athletic. Sefolosha is capable of being a solid defensive stopper and has potential to be a decent bench scorer. Tyrus is capable of being Amare with defense if he ever turns his brain on.

    If they take Rose, perhaps they're more likely to move Hinrich or Gordon. I'm really not jazzed about either, but obviously Gordon would be a nicer option.

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    Oh, man if we could get rid of Howard for Gordon, that would be great... the guy is a fantastic scorer, and is an fantastic shooter. and I think playing with Dirk and Kidd would help make him more efficient, as he only shoots around 43% from the field, although a lot of it is due to the fact that he doesn't have many weapons around him and often has to take bad or forced shots. he wouldn't have that problem in Dallas. That would be a lethal combo of him and Dirk.

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    I'd like Gordon but the fact that he never saw a shot he didn't want to take scares me a bit. Being fearless is nice, but Gordon's shot selection borders on brainless most of the time. I guess it's no worse than what we've got, and if we're gonna have a chucker on the court, better him than Stackhouse.

    I really don't care who we get though, Josh Howard cannot remain on the Mavericks. If he's suiting up for them, they're basically writing off next season completely before it even starts.

    If it comes down to it, trade him for ing Mark Madsen, I don't give a . Just get his sorry ass off the team.

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    If the Grizz are trying everything possible to dump Brian Cardinal's contract, maybe a Howard/George for Miller/Cardinal deal could work? Not sure what Devean's contract would have to be to make that work. Probably won't work now, since if they're still salary dumping, they won't lose Mike Miller to take on a lesser player who has a similar contract and more years.

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    If the Grizz are trying everything possible to dump Brian Cardinal's contract, maybe a Howard/George for Miller/Cardinal deal could work? Not sure what Devean's contract would have to be to make that work. Probably won't work now, since if they're still salary dumping, they won't lose Mike Miller to take on a lesser player who has a similar contract and more years.
    sucks that we cant rape the Grizzlies like the Lakers did and get MM alot cheaper

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    sucks that we cant rape the Grizzlies like the Lakers did and get MM alot cheaper
    David Stern only lets his chosen team rape the Grizzlies.

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    I'd like Gordon but the fact that he never saw a shot he didn't want to take scares me a bit. Being fearless is nice, but Gordon's shot selection borders on brainless most of the time. I guess it's no worse than what we've got, and if we're gonna have a chucker on the court, better him than Stackhouse.

    I really don't care who we get though, Josh Howard cannot remain on the Mavericks. If he's suiting up for them, they're basically writing off next season completely before it even starts.

    If it comes down to it, trade him for ing Mark Madsen, I don't give a . Just get his sorry ass off the team.
    At the same time, a lot of Gordon's bad shots are due to a crappy offensive team and system. in a team with Dirk and Kidd, i think he would definitely be more efficient.

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    However I would still like to try to get Shawn Marion more than anyone.

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    ben gordon is 6'3 thats undersized for a SG and is the epitome of streaky shooter so the idea of trading howard for him should not even come into play

    the Thomas/Sefolosha also has its problems... the point of getting rid of howard and devin was essentially dirk will be out of his prime when these 2 reach the height of their game... so to get Thomas/Sefolosha would null the whole reason behind the trades. they're not looking to the future, they're looking for a person near the height of their game, athletic body to run with kidd, and will be a absolute professional on and off the court

    which means there really is only a handful i can think of.

    i guess shawn marion is the closest thing you can get to it.

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    ben gordon is 6'3 thats undersized for a SG and is the epitome of streaky shooter so the idea of trading howard for him should not even come into play

    the Thomas/Sefolosha also has its problems... the point of getting rid of howard and devin was essentially dirk will be out of his prime when these 2 reach the height of their game... so to get Thomas/Sefolosha would null the whole reason behind the trades. they're not looking to the future, they're looking for a person near the height of their game, athletic body to run with kidd, and will be a absolute professional on and off the court

    which means there really is only a handful i can think of.

    i guess shawn marion is the closest thing you can get to it.
    6ft 3 isn't really all that undersized for a shooting guard..just most players listed most heights are with shoes. Kobe is only 6ft 4 barefoot according to numerous sources and predraft measurements, as was Jordan. The problem is Gordon is GENEROUSLY listed at 6ft 2, I don't think he's a hair over 6ft barefoot height. I completely agree with you about not wanting Gordon. Besides, we already have an undersized streaky shooting guard.

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    If I were Donnie Nelson:

    - resign Antoine Wright and Tyronn Lue.

    - trade Jerry Stackhouse and Jason Terry to Milwaukee for Michael Redd. It works in the trade checker (Why does Milwaukee do it? They want to dump salary and the total financial commitments to Terry/Stack are less than what they owe to Redd. I think)

    - trade Josh Howard to Sacramento for Ron Artest + salary filler. This currently does not work under the trade checker because of Artest's Early Termination Option. But lets assume at worst a s-n-t can be worked out. Sacramento does it because Artest's act has grown tiresome and Howard would be a nice replacement.

    - sign DeSagana Diop with the LLE.

    - sign Eduardo Najera with a portion of the MLE.

    I assume at some point Devean George and his bird rights will be useful in landing Artest. That leaves the Mavs with this:

    C: Dampier
    PF: Dirk
    SF: Artest
    SG: Redd
    PG: Kidd

    6th man: Bass
    Rotation players: Wright, Najera, Diop, Lue

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    Hot damn, that's a nice starting lineup.

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