Obama Bout To HAM On Syria - Where My War Mongers At?

[TSA]

Sorry, I don't care enough to search for it.

if you don't want to tell it to me when I directly ask for it, don't pretend like you genuinely want my opinion. Just be honest and admit you're being fruitless.

You are too lazy to search for my statements on Syria and you are too lazy to do your own research on Syria to form an opinion. Why are you in a thread that is discussing Syria?

[SA210]

You are too lazy to search for my statements on Syria and you are too lazy to do your own research on Syria to form an opinion. Why are you in a thread that is discussing Syria?

He's just angry that Obama is being shown for the fraud he is. That's it. He's angry that its come out, so he has no real opinions or a spine to take a stance other than personally attacking posters for posting any facts about his messiah that he will now come back and deny. When someone talks back to him he pulls a chump and railroads threads over stupid grudges. Banworthy stuff tbh.
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[Blake]

You are too lazy to search for my statements on Syria and you are too lazy to do your own research on Syria to form an opinion. Why are you in a thread that is discussing Syria?

I was barely not lazy enough to open this thread to see where the war mongers are at.

why do you keep pretending you care about my opinion

[Blake]

He's just angry that Obama is being shown for the fraud he is. That's it. He's angry that its come out, so he has no real opinions or a spine to take a stance other than personally attacking posters for posting any facts about his messiah that he will now come back and deny. When someone talks back to him he pulls a chump and railroads threads over stupid grudges. Banworthy stuff tbh.
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wut per par

[cheguevara]

Russia's carrier killer arrives to the party, just in time for the fireworks thanks to the stupidity of John Kerry and co

"The armaments and technical equipment of the missile cruiser are in working condition. The crew is ready to perform combat missions,” the source said.

Designed to be carrier-killers, the cruisers of Class 1164 are equipped with 16 anti-ship launchers P-1000 Vulkan, or Volcano (SS-N-12 Sandbox anti-ship missiles, according to NATO classification).

[Th'Pusher]

Russia's carrier killer arrives to the party, just in time for the fireworks thanks to the stupidity of John Kerry and co

"The armaments and technical equipment of the missile cruiser are in working condition. The crew is ready to perform combat missions,” the source said.

Designed to be carrier-killers, the cruisers of Class 1164 are equipped with 16 anti-ship launchers P-1000 Vulkan, or Volcano (SS-N-12 Sandbox anti-ship missiles, according to NATO classification).

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/11/221454...hange-on-syria

Russia moved some warships from its Black Sea fleet into the Mediterranean, but officials from Moscow made it clear that they would not be there to take military action on Assad's behalf.

In fact, Mirsky acknowledged, there wasn't much that Russia could do, if the United States and its allies decided to attack.

James Goldgeier, the dean of the School of International Service at American University in Washington, D.C., says President Vladimir Putin has tried to bring Russia back, but "it's not the power that it once was."

"[Russia's] geostrategic position has changed drastically," he says. "It doesn't have as much reach as it used to have. It doesn't have as much influence."

[Wild Cobra]

The evidence says the Syrian government.

Period

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So why hasn't that evidence been shared with other intelligence agencies?

Is it wise to believe Obomba when he doesn't show his evidence to anyone?

[Wild Cobra]

pretty bad ass

Cool.

They deserved that.

[Wild Cobra]

Sad, but true...

[boutons_deux]

MCCAIN ACCUSES OBAMA OF THINKING BEFORE USING FORCE


—Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) was harshly critical today of President Obama’s nationally televised address about Syria this week, telling CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “The President’s decision to think before attacking another country flies in the face of American foreign policy.”

“The United States of America has been involved in countless armed conflicts since this great nation was founded,” Mr. McCain said. “Many of those would never have happened if we’d stopped to think about them first. Sadly, the President seems not to have learned this lesson of history.”

Calling the President “an Ivy League law professor who never met a thought he didn’t like,” Mr. McCain said that he was urging Mr. Obama “to please take thinking off the table.”

“The stakes for America couldn’t be higher right now,” he said. “Our global reputation for rushing into war with no advance planning is hanging by a thread.”

Mr. McCain said that he is attempting to schedule a meeting in the Oval Office, where he plans to deliver a “strong and clear” message to Mr. Obama: “Mr. President, what you are doing is playing into the hands of the enemy. Thinking solves nothing.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...rowitz%20(165)

[SA210]

I wish MCCain remained a prisoner

[whitemamba]

I wish MCCain remained a prisoner

Agreed, I dont even want him dead, just captured and tortured for years. That fat tryin to iraqatize Syria, piece of monkey Mc y.

[TSA]

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would cons ute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

[boutons_deux]

"civilized diplomatic and political settlement."

... starts at home, Pussy Riot jailer and phobe!

[Jacob1983]

[boutons_deux]

Anticipating Apocalypse on the Road to Damascus: Dominionist US Military Superiors Find Common Ground With Islamic Extremists

How many U.S. military senior ranking officers and non-commissioned officers (NCOs), thrilled to unbridled giddiness with the prospect of America’s “humanitarian” attack against Syria – on a basis of “Biblical” prophecies – does it take to make a national security crisis?

Answer: Only one. But we have well over 250 of them at least.

For these nefarious extremists, their guiding motivation is a crude eschatology, an “End of Days” Islamic apocalypticism. This dreadful vision foresees the Return of Jesus Christ (an important prophet in the Muslim faith and the Messiah), who will lead the “godly forces” in a battle against the “forces of evil” (the Islamic Anti-Christ, or dajjal, and Satan).” Where will this battle take place? Damascus, Syria.

Thus, it was with severe worry that the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), the civil rights and cons utional defense foundation of which I’m Founder and President, received the shocking testimonials of over 250 armed servicemember clients regarding the obsessed anticipation of apocalypse emanating from their superiors among the ranks of officers both commissioned and non-commissioned, spanning all four service branches. The Book of Revelation is their blueprint for “success” and they are all too happy to trumpet this “Good News” to their helpless armed forces subordinates.

You see, they interpret almost ANYthing that will further inflame the Middle East, and its nexus to bloodshed in Israel, as a divinely prophesied accelerant or lubricant to hasten the End of Days apocalypse wrought by their avenging warrior “flavor” of Jesus Christ. The proposed attack on Syria has these U.S. military superiors licking their chops in delicious delight as an absolutely necessary and foretold event to herald the advent of the Armageddon they pray for endlessly.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/18...mic-extremists

Onward and upward, all ye "Christian" paranoid soldier OT-thumpers!

[cheguevara]

tbh I don't think Putin's move is a good one at all. Not sure what was the motivation behind it.

Everyone knew that Obama was already backtracking even before Russia's offer and everyone knew that he was going to get his ass handed to him by Congress. The public opinion was clear and I am not sure Obama would have pushed on with the attacks. I think he would have not.

But then Putin comes and confuses the American public. Now Obama has an excuse, if Syria starts playing games, boom.

Only thing that comes to mind is Putin has no respect for US diplomacy and thinks he can wrestle them to submission on the negotiation table. And who does the US send do to handle such a job, noone else but Ketchup Kerry

[boutons_deux]

that started well
US Rejects Syria's 30-Day Weapons Deadline


US Secretary of State John Kerry has rejected Syria's pledge to hand over information on its chemical weapons in 30 days.

Speaking at a news conference with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, he noted that it was standard procedure for a country to submit its weapons data a month after signing an international chemical weapons ban.

But he said: "There is nothing standard about this process. The words of the Syrian regime in our judgement are simply not enough."

He warned that the US could still launch a military strike if Syria's President Bashar al Assad reneged on his promises, and said the US was wary of any stalling process.

"There ought to be consequences if it doesn't take place," he warned.

http://news.sky.com/story/1140837/us...apons-deadline

[ChumpDumper]

tbh I don't think Putin's move is a good one at all. Not sure what was the motivation behind it.

I already made some guesses at motivation. There is enough evidence that Obama would proceed with strikes regardless of congress, and Russia doesn't want strikes anymore than the US does. Kerry's accidental diplomacy helps everyone save face.

[cheguevara]

I already made some guesses at motivation. There is enough evidence that Obama would proceed with strikes regardless of congress, and Russia doesn't want strikes anymore than the US does. Kerry's accidental diplomacy helps everyone save face.

well I guess if the UN reports did have more evidence then yes. I guess Putin knew that the UN reports were not going to look good for him so he took a listen to one of Kerry's blabbering and the rest is history

[ChumpDumper]

Think about it. Before this, Assad never admitted Syria even had chemical weapons. Now they are taking up an offer to get rid of them.

BTW I just heard Kerry speaking to the press from Switzerland.

lol tree of woe

[cheguevara]

Think about it. Before this, Assad never admitted Syria even had chemical weapons. Now they are taking up an offer to get rid of them.

You seriously think Syria getting rid of their chemical weapons is actually a doable thing? good luck with that

BTW I just heard Kerry speaking to the press from Switzerland.

lol tree of woe

please, Kerry is currently face to face with Sergei Lavrov, a true strategist and as sneaky as they come. You really think Ketchup has a chance vs. the Russian equivalent of Vizzini?

Here is Lavrov's medal count:
Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd class (2010), 3rd class (2005) and 4th class (1998)
Order of Honour (1996)
Honoured Worker of the Diplomatic Service of the Russian Federation (2004)
Order of the Holy Prince Daniel of Moscow, 1st class (Russian Orthodox Church, 2010) and 2nd class
Order of Friendship (Kazakhstan, 2005)
Grand Cross of the Order of the Sun (Peru, 2007)
Order of Friendship of Peoples (Belarus, 2006)
Order of Friendship (Vietnam, 2009)
Order of Friendship (Laos)
Medal of Honour (South Ossetia, 19 March 2010) - for his great personal contribution to strengthening international security, peace and stability in the Caucasus, the development of friendly relations between the Republic of South Ossetia and the Russian Federation
Order of St. Mashtots (Armenia, August 19, 2010) - for outstanding contribution to the consolidation and development of age-old Armenian-Russian friendly relations
Gold Medal of the Yerevan State University (Armenia, 2007)
Honorary medal "For participation in the programs of the United Nations" (UN Association of Russia, 2005)

How about Kerry? oh that's right, the 2 medals he ever had he threw them to the fire because Jane Fonda told him to

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Russia's carrier killer arrives to the party, just in time for the fireworks thanks to the stupidity of John Kerry and co

"The armaments and technical equipment of the missile cruiser are in working condition. The crew is ready to perform combat missions,” the source said.

Designed to be carrier-killers, the cruisers of Class 1164 are equipped with 16 anti-ship launchers P-1000 Vulkan, or Volcano (SS-N-12 Sandbox anti-ship missiles, according to NATO classification).

You really think that the the Russians are going to start a naval battle in the Mediterranean? Do me a favor. Look up who the NATO countries are. Then look at a map and where the NATO countries are, where Russia is, and where Syria is. Think about it real hard.

Keep cheering for the Russians though.

[TSA]

How exactly do they plan on getting said chemical weapons from Syria handed over and who will handle it?

[cheguevara]

How exactly do they plan on getting said chemical weapons from Syria handed over and who will handle it?

exactly

ppl thinking this is in any way possible. Especially with a civil war going on there. Boy is the american public in deep