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    Yeah Splitter is only one of the best pick and roll defenders in the league. Don't see how he'd get any mins vs Golden State or OKc or Cleveland at all.......
    Those 3 teams all play small with Lebron, Durant and Iguodala at the 4. In those situations we can't play Duncan/Splitter together so Splitter is relegated to playing the 14 minutes or so that Duncan sits. Even when the Thunder play Ibaka at the 4, we turned the series around by putting Diaw in to draw him away from the basket.

    In 2014 Splitter went from averaging 28 minutes against Dallas and Portland to 17 minutes against the Thunder and Heat, and in three of those games he played less than 12 minutes. Anyone who watches the Spurs knows the teams that Splitter is most useful against and those in which his role is relegated to bit-part player, and the fact is that against the better teams it is more likely to be the latter.

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    A healthy splitter is great. Too bad that's rarely the thing nowadays.

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    Even when the Thunder play Ibaka at the 4, we turned the series around by putting Diaw in to draw him away from the basket.
    It was Bonner, and he also pretty much shut down Ibaka on the other side of the court, which played an even bigger role, in my opinion.

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    Yes, that's a great observation. On one hand, it seems like trading up with Atlanta to 15 makes sense, as they'd value a guy like Splitter. But on the other hand, the Spurs would be trading up that far to target someone, and there's a good chance that whatever makes that player intriguing to the Spurs would also make them intriguing to the Hawks. Meaning if the Spurs value 15 and cap space more than Splitter, Atlanta like would as well.
    It's a fair point, but I'm not sure I agree. The Spurs have much more to gain out of cap room than the Hawks, as Atlanta will only be able to open up around $9m before resigning Carroll and Millsap which I think they are certain to do. With the way players are getting paid in anticipation for the cap jump, I doubt $9m gets them a big man as good as Splitter.

    I think the trade itself makes the Spurs worse and the Hawks better in the immediate future, there's no question that over the next 2 years Splitter will be a better player than whoever is picked at #15, but if we need to open up cap room it is the best deal we can get. If we wait until the summer and have to dump Splitter somewhere prior to signing a free agent we won't get anywhere near as much value, and may even have to give up picks to get someone to take him as we'll have no leverage.

    It would absolutely be a gamble from the Spurs perspective, and given their track record it seems like something they are unlikely to do, but personally I'm all in on cap space. This summer is the best chance we'll ever have to land a big fish.

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    The logic of the sentiment makes sense but I doubt the impact is as severe. It would have to be identical team needs, salary position & value for the overlap to apply.

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    It's a fair point, but I'm not sure I agree. The Spurs have much more to gain out of cap room than the Hawks, as Atlanta will only be able to open up around $9m before resigning Carroll and Millsap which I think they are certain to do. With the way players are getting paid in anticipation for the cap jump, I doubt $9m gets them a big man as good as Splitter.

    I think the trade itself makes the Spurs worse and the Hawks better in the immediate future, there's no question that over the next 2 years Splitter will be a better player than whoever is picked at #15, but if we need to open up cap room it is the best deal we can get. If we wait until the summer and have to dump Splitter somewhere prior to signing a free agent we won't get anywhere near as much value, and may even have to give up picks to get someone to take him as we'll have no leverage.

    It would absolutely be a gamble from the Spurs perspective, and given their track record it seems like something they are unlikely to do, but personally I'm all in on cap space. This summer is the best chance we'll ever have to land a big fish.
    I think this is a point that needs to be reiterated.
    The chance of finding a major immediate contributor where the Spurs will be drafting or could reasonably be able to get to is pretty low. Splitter, Green and whoever else we wish to bring up may have flaws, but they are still proven NBA rotational players.
    In last years draft only 12 players logged more than 800 minutes (random number- 10 minutes a game for 80 games)

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    Has there been any serious discussion about Robert Upshaw? I know he was kicked off of two programs, but does anyone know the reason? TheSpurs have usually stayed away from players with issues off the court, but there have been some exceptions who got some slack although the FO moves then quickly if the player doesn't work out.

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    He, apparently, wants to stay with Real Madrid for a couple of seasons. He'd be better as a second rounder pick.
    willy is a spanish center who played his first year professionally on real madrid reserves. He did get week 8 mvp in the eurocup. I think its worth the wasted pick.

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    The "empty space" charge is $525k. That can't be turned into cap space no matter how you finagle it. A rookie at 26 would have a first year salary ranging from $793k to $992k (the max is actually $1.2 Million, but obviously the team would just use the hold in this case). So that's a functional effect of $268k to $467k.
    What would you think of the Spurs trading their #26 for Jordan Clarkson? Gets a guard that has shown potential, free's up ability to lose Mills and/or Cory and actually costs less than the pick.

    LA probably wouldn't do that, but what it would do for LA is give them more flexibility. They could not trade their #2 before the draft without having to wait until they sign the pick and gives them another 1st rounder for an asset that some may not be sure of anyways in a trade (meaning, some teams would value the pick over Clarkson).

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    There isn't anyone who is projected to be available that I love as much as I loved KJ McDaniels last draft

    Assuming Justin Anderson is gone, the next best for me is Delon Wright. Flawed, older, but enough to like, especially the defense. Drafting players who can't guard their NBA position in the modern age like Kyle Anderson & Deshaun Thomas is too risky. The league has changed, and guys better be able to guard at least their position, and better if they can switch and not lose it, or excel at protecting the rim for bigs.

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    Has there been any serious discussion about Robert Upshaw? I know he was kicked off of two programs, but does anyone know the reason? TheSpurs have usually stayed away from players with issues off the court, but there have been some exceptions who got some slack although the FO moves then quickly if the player doesn't work out.
    Spurs won't touch him. He was kicked out of 2 different basketball programs for drug-related issues and insubordination. And on top of that, he was just flagged at the NBA combine for a heart issue. Not sure the severity of it, but I know he had to cancel his upcoming workouts because of it. He'll be a 2nd round pick for somebody, but it won't be us.

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    I think this is a point that needs to be reiterated.
    The chance of finding a major immediate contributor where the Spurs will be drafting or could reasonably be able to get to is pretty low. Splitter, Green and whoever else we wish to bring up may have flaws, but they are still proven NBA rotational players.
    In last years draft only 12 players logged more than 800 minutes (random number- 10 minutes a game for 80 games)
    If it was a choice for next year between Splitter and Portis with all else remaining equal of course I'd keep Splitter, but that is not the situation I'm proposing. This trade would be for Portis + $18m compared to Splitter + $9m, which gives us a shot at adding a big fish free agent but even if we strike out there are players like Robin Lopez or Chandler we could sign who could give us most of what we've lost.

    I wouldn't be worried if our team next season looked like this

    Parker/Mills/Joseph
    Green/Manu
    Kawhi/Anderson
    Duncan/Diaw
    Lopez/Portis

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    A healthy splitter is great. Too bad that's rarely the thing nowadays.
    Healthy splitter is still ty rebounder and big liability on offence...

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    Tiago is not a liability on offense.

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    Tiago is not a liability on offense.
    Depends who he's playing with. If he's playing with Tony and Tim then he becomes a problem because we have three non-shooters on the court.

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    What does everyone think of Anthony Brown?

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    What does everyone think of Anthony Brown?
    If we could acquire an early 2nd rounder, then yes. But not a first round pick.

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    What does everyone think of Anthony Brown?
    Kent Bazemore 2.0 imo

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    Tiago is not a liability on offense.
    He is, soft with sorry ass finish technique, can't score even on smaller players, teams can go small against us and take advantage of that...

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    Some observations re: draft

    1. Spurs draft-and-stash plan is mere speculation prescinding from the premise they're going after Aldridge or Gasol, which has so far been unsubstantiated.
    2. Clear they're looking for a 4th big and/or a guard that can shoot.
    3. That Spurs are "interested" in Nance, aside from work out, has also been unsubstantiated.
    4. Some names unheard of here and there (Jeromie Hill, Satnam Singh Bhamara, Janis Berzins) that the Spurs have worked out.
    5. Guards net a more immediate return (window is closing), so I wager they're picking a guard with the 1st round pick, and a big man with the latter pick.

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    really hope they go with the best player available

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    Thoughts on Tyus Jones? Cojo and Mills are both incomplete PGs imo. And while I love Cojos defense his PG skills leave something to be desired.

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    Sixers apparently want to trade their 35th and 37th picks for a first rounder. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Spurs take this route.

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    Thoughts on Tyus Jones? Cojo and Mills are both incomplete PGs imo. And while I love Cojos defense his PG skills leave something to be desired.
    Undersized and non athletic

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    Undersized and non athletic
    So is Tony Parker, tbh.

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