Agree.
1-Pop won't trade Kawhi to a Western Conference team.
Clippers have good picks, Lakers have some good young players...Pop won't trade his best player to them or any other WC team who could make playoffs with Kawhi playing for them.
2-Phoenix has Jackson & picks, plus the Suns are the only team in the West who will keep being ugly even with Kawhi.
3-Among Eastern Conference teams, Sixers most likely, then Hornets, Miami, Knicks, Cavs. I've said before that coach Fiz wants Kawhi badly, not for Porzingis obviously, but in a trade with more teams involved they can offer other players that teams -with decent picks- could need.
Or they’re afraid his uncle is just going to screw them a year from now once Leaonard is eligible to be traded after signing his super max deal.
I’m mean wouldn’t uncle Denny’s ideal scenario be for KL to sign the extension with Spurs, and then manufacture drama, etc. to force a trade a year from now? They lock in the 70M more that only spurs can offer AND find they’re way to “a big market” for whatever endorsement they think they’ll get.
The “trust” issue is a two way street.
If the Spurs, the best organization in sports world can't deal with an ambitious uncle who isn't even a pro agent, I can't imagine how they will handle a new generation of players and new ambitious pro agents after Pop retirement.
About a future trade after signing a super-max contract, a deal can have clauses to protect the team against it, and others to protect the player.
I read a review on the games played yesterday with a quote that caught my attention. "Surprisingly the stars cam ready to play." It was an innocuous quote in an article meant to be supportive of the game played. The benign quote, however, speaks volumes of the state of the NBA game today.
None of those teams have the assets for a Kawhi trade yet their ranked ahead of Boston and Cleveland, I could even see Orlando before those 3 teams.
No it can't. You cannot protect against the brand of that his uncle threw against the wall this year, and the reality is, when you give in to demands, it never stops.
People around the league understand that the Spurs don't play these games, so your premise that if they don't offer the SM, everyone thinks he's injured is false.
Orlando could be in PATFO's list, too.
Hornets have Kemba and MJ is enough stupid to do it. Also, who knows if Pop doesn't like some Heat young players...
Again, I've said many times that I can't see Ainge trading Brown or Tatum for Kawhi. Boston could be in the list but that won't happen.
Last summer, they had a player asking for more touches, more minutes, better stats...And they already accepted his demands.
They had a player with a issue with a teammate's wife...
Other player that demanded his family to travel with the team...
They accepted a lot of things in the past.
The only reason they don't give Kawhi the super-max is because the considerable uncertainty about his injury prognosis. The rest of things can be fixed in a second when the money is there.
And all NBA GMs know it.
I watched Miami in the playoffs have to say they have some pretty good players I was very suprised.
Pop is not going to put up with dealing with Kawhi uncle. Once Pop made that comment about don’t ask me ask his people I New his career with the Spurs was over. Like any marriage if both want to stay happy marriage but Kawhi Uncle doesn’t want to stay so let the Trade Wars Begin!!!
i can't see the celtics wanting to depart with tatum and rozier at this point; not with the way they are balling.
?In my opinion it is a number of factors. A supermax deal restricts your ability to sign other players and manage the salary cap and if it is for a player that has missed the last two playoffs then you think long and hard about dedicating that much salary to one player. I have no idea if the spurs can "afford" the supermax and to go over the luxury cap. I would assume they can but that it really cuts into their profits.
I'm not saying Kawhi is not deserving. I think all of the players are deserving of as much as they can get from the system. Players should not be asked to give up any more than owners and vice versa, because players like Kawhi MAKE the NBA. That being said, in order for teams to be compe ive, there has to be a good level of fiscal responsibility regarding the cap, good drafting, luck, and some sacrifice from the players to make room under the cap (see Duncan, David, Manu). Do they have to? No, but they do if they want to win Championships.
Also, don't forget after the last economy crash, the cap level actually went down. There WILL be another crisis like 2008 and when it happens, there could be some serious regret from teams with these kinds of contracts
Ainge ain't moving Tatum for a player whose thigh xrays look like this tbh:
Kawhi has a tail?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Agreed. I've said before there are small markets teams that can't afford super-max deals. I'm not saying the Spurs are one of them but could be a factor.
Kawhi super-max is about two-three good players salaries, this makes any Spurs' owner to think about...
I'm not sure if GMs realize this SA situation.
In that case, Pop should be sincere with them about Spurs' financial future and how a super-max contract could affect it.
On court issues are different from "we want to infest your organization with family and hangers on". Even you should see that. LaMarcus NEVER held the organization hostage. He went and directly talked to Pop. He didn't run away to another city and hide behind his agent and family.
The Spurs never involved themselves in the Tony thing.
Me, too. That's why I think Pop could like some of them.
I wouldn't say his uncle doesn't want to stay...If we believe what Jabari Young wrote about Kawhi's camp, they want the super-max deal while denying any trade-talks.Like any marriage if both want to stay happy marriage but Kawhi Uncle doesn’t want to stay so let the Trade Wars Begin!!!
If he's injured, as you say, they shouldn't offer it. If he isn't injured, then this was all a medical holdout, and he's a snake, and they shouldn't offer it.
He never run to other city because he wasn't injury and didn't need rehab.
About "infest with family and hangers on"...Kawhi and his uncle didn't say a word against the Spurs.
In fact, the player said he wants to be a Spurs' for life and his uncle denied trade-talks.
Pop felt frustrated for many reasons and media used it to create a lot of drama.
Even you should see that Kawhi still calls Pop almost every day and his young teammates. Media tried to sell the story of him "disconnected" from the team but the same reporters had to admit he's still in contact.
In public.The Spurs never involved themselves in the Tony thing.
I truly believe he's injured and that's the reason I said many teams will lowball the Spurs.
If that's the reason why the Spurs don't offer him the supermax? Most likely...But the small-market issue could play a role, too.
In Public.
Killa 'Kyrie and LMAlpha duo could do work tbqh, if some of the other dead weight on the roster is purged.
That would be my starting scenario: Kyrie and one of their two choice picks in the next two drafts. Your next position is Brown/Tatum and one of the picks. After that, Tatum and both picks.
i have wondered if the celtics would decide to trade irving instead (or even haywood-who i would not take).
Nope, I'd rather have just Tatum than just Irving. LOL at SAS and Kellerman acting like this would be a five star player for five star player swap.
of course it's not a straight up swap not with bones growing out of Kiwi's leg and his discontent but you will almost never find a return as good as 26 year old Kyrie for a star who wants out, tbh.
if you take Jason Tatum instead you are throwing away LMAlpha's remaining contending years as well as Poop's coaching tenure. Killa' Kyrie and LMA are good enough duo to win 60+ games and put Spur back at #2 seed at worst.
The Heat have don't have a pick this year and can't trade their 2019 pick. Unless Pop is interested in Olynic, Richardson, Winslow and Bam! -All pretty good but doesn't put us anywhere near le contention and 0 future prospects, no way that happens.
Charlotte can really only offer Kemba, Monk and the 9th pick. Kemba is 28 and will expect a big payday after next season, he doesn't move the needle in terms of le contention to make a move for him at his point, especially when LMA will be 33 next season.
The 9th pick would be nice but we wouldn't be in the Donic, Bagley Jr., Jackson Jr. Territory and that deal would be even more unlikely to happen if PAFTO isn't impressed with Monk.
Knicks aren't moving 'Taps for Kawhi because they'd rather pair the two and he is also several years younger than Kawhi, meaning that their best offer is likely their pick this year and the kid drafted last year.
Orlando has Gordon and the 5th pick, which might land Doncic or one of the too prospects in this draft but that team would be a wasteland even with Kawhi and no guarantee that he would re-sign.
Cleveland could try a 3 teamer with Phoenix (credit to Chinook for the idea)
Cleveland Get;
Kawhi Leonard
Phoenix Gets;
Kevin Love
Spurs Get;
7th, 15th Pick, T.J Warren
I still think Boston would give up Tatum and the Kings and Grizzlies picks in a deal for Kawhi while Philly probably would do a Kawhi and Mills deal for Covington, Fultz and Saric plus the 10th pick and Parsecniks.
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