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What makes you think the Hawks are willing to trade him at half his value. That is just Spurstalk wishful thinking. The Hawks aren't going to be taking the trash offers that are being thrown around in here.
Aren’t DJ and Shams both represented by Klutch sports?
What makes you think the Hawks are willing to trade him at half his value. That is just Spurstalk wishful thinking. The Hawks aren't going to be taking the trash offers that are being thrown around in here.
It is everywhere, bro.
The Hawks wouldn't be trading him at half his value, that would be stupid. His value is likely around half of the ridiculous overpay Atlanta made for him, especially since he's not an allstar anymore and is more like an above average starter.
I Thought It Was Point Blank With You Believing What You Believe And Us Believing What We Believe Yet It Looks Like You’re Putting In More Effort Trying To Convince Us To Believe What You Believe In About Murray. I Already Shut Down The Center Of Your Argument Being That Murray Would Be A Malcontent Here/ Shouldn’t Be Forgiven For His Sins With One Simple Fact: The Spurs Will Not Trade For Him Without Knowing If He Will Be Happy Here. Case Closed.
That Trae Young destroys careers?
He wasn't an all star caliber player either when the Spurs traded him. He's a better player now than he was then. he got a gift all star appearance as an injury replacement player.
It Is Very Likely Murray Doesn’t Get Traded Here. There Are 29 Other Teams In The NBA And At Least Three Other Teams Involved In The Rumor. He Doesn’t Get Traded Here? Oh Well. All That This Exposes Are The Fans Who Have A Flawed Idea About How The Team Should Be Constructed On Its Path Back To Relevancy.
He was literally a 25 year old allstar with a PER of 22.3 when the Spurs traded him. I don't know how you think he would have the same or more trade value now as a 27 year old with a PER of 16.9 that pegs him at roughly an above average starter.
Nah, Dejounte is empty calories. Ever since his triple doubles here. His numbers were always prettier than his real impact.
Spurs fans are getting too desperate, tbh. I guess that's what too much losing does to a fanbase.
Reflect on that, bro.
I'm done with you, man. When the did I say that DeJounte should have accepted the extension and if he didn't the team should move him?
That never happened cause I don't care how the team pays out contracts to players. You must have me confused with another poster on here
Again, and for the absolute last time with you, DeJounte declined the extension and requested that the team trade him. He likely had no intention of returning to the Spurs in any capacity.
He had a good career here, but it seems like many things chafed him & he didn't always want to go along with managements plans. We are talking about a guy that thought he should walk in as a raw, 29th pick and be the starter over established veterans.
You want DeJounte back in San Antonio and I don't. Simple as that.
I think I've made my points and will move on so this pointless discussion can cease (since he likely isn't being brought back). Peace.
Don't really see that at all. He'd be a quality starter here. No one thinks he's an allstar nor is anyone but rascal proposing giving up an allstar package to get him. If they can get him cheap they should, if Atlanta thinks the Spurs are going to offer them back anything approaching the value the Hawks paid for him in 2021 ROFL we'll just collect three years of their lottery picks.Nah, Dejounte is empty calories. Ever since his triple doubles here. His numbers were always prettier than his real impact.
Spurs fans are getting too desperate, tbh. I guess that's what too much losing does to a fanbase.
You Believed Poku And Bertans Would Be All-Stars. Don’t Be So Confident In Your Analyses Of Players.Nah, Dejounte is empty calories. Ever since his triple doubles here. His numbers were always prettier than his real impact.
Spurs fans are getting too desperate, tbh. I guess that's what too much losing does to a fanbase.
Prob good to stop if you're going to get this emotional
One thing is trying to project how a college or european rookie will do in the NBA, another is analyzing a player with almost a decade of experience in the NBA.
Besides, do you really want to get into draft prospects evaluation, bro? I'm trying to be nice here and not start naming all the Smiths and Achiuawas, or whatever that scrub's name was.
I’ve Grown In My Evaluation Of Players And I’m Not The One Spreading Misinformation About A Player Or Throwing Around Superficial Statements About Said Player.One thing is trying to project how a college or european rookie will do in the NBA, another is analyzing a player with almost a decade of experience in the NBA.
Besides, do you really want to get into draft prospects evaluation, bro? I'm trying to be nice here and not start naming all the Smiths and Achiuawas, or whatever that scrub's name was.
Do you see a core of Murray, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan and Wemby becoming a true contender in 3 or 4 years?
You don't believe in Sochan and Keldon? Fine, do you see a core of Murray, Vassell, Wemby and 2 wings (that wouldn't be max players because the money would be spent on the other 3) becoming contenders? I don't. We need something better than DJ offensively at the PG position.
Superficial is taking raw stats and thinking that's what that player is as a player. We have seen Dejounte play for a decade now, he's DeRozanesque. His numbers will always be there, but we all know that's not what we need down the road if we really want to become a championship contender. Heck, since I've brought him up, why not bring back DeRozan? He would also help us improve and he's posting better numbers than Dejounte.
All the arguments For or Against are relatively vanilla, tbh. Dejounte isn't an average player who stat pads and has no impact. He's not a complete diva. He's also not the answer to all of our problems.
However, he is a very good player who can offer us a ton of use over the remainder of his contract. And yes he can absolutely fit into our system, especially with his improved 3PT%.
It all comes down to price. #1 rule is to not take too big of risks with Wemby's 5yr plan, given all of our assets. If we can get Dejounte on a good deal, his abilities + contract become a low-risk situation, with a known return. Kinda like CD's these days
Of course not, Sochan is trash. I'm hoping the 24 pick or one of the 25 picks develops into something special or could be traded for such.
What makes you think the Spurs won't have money? The cap is likely to go way up in a couple of years when the league starts expanding to streaming services and Victor won't be expensive until 27-28. I'd love something better than Dejounte at the point but am not too sold on the PG in this draft and even if they are good it's probably not for 3 years. And nothing says you can't draft a PG just because Murray is there. If they do and he ends up ready to take Murray's place you trade Dejounte for a better fit.
This is the catch. Spurstalk is underestimating what the Hawks will be asking back in a trade.
It all comes down to price. #1 rule is to not take too big of risks with Wemby's 5yr plan, given all of our assets. If we can get Dejounte on a good deal, his abilities + contract become a low-risk situation, with a known return. Kinda like CD's these days
The Hawks aren't going to hand him back over especially to the spurs for what most in here think.
Bringing Dejounte back would set the rebuilding back, might even break it. How's that for a non-vanilla argument against bringing him back?All the arguments For or Against are relatively vanilla, tbh. Dejounte isn't an average player who stat pads and has no impact. He's not a complete diva. He's also not the answer to all of our problems.
However, he is a very good player who can offer us a ton of use over the remainder of his contract. And yes he can absolutely fit into our system, especially with his improved 3PT%.
It all comes down to price. #1 rule is to not take too big of risks with Wemby's 5yr plan, given all of our assets. If we can get Dejounte on a good deal, his abilities + contract become a low-risk situation, with a known return. Kinda like CD's these days
I just don't see Dejounte as a long term piece on a championship team. So I guess his relative value would be as a stop-gap while we find our championship PG. The question then becomes: "would you be willing to give up 2 first round picks for a stop-gap?" I wouldn't. Not even a first.
See my previous posts, but to summarize:
1. All very dependent on price of the trade, but we (assumedly) would still have plenty of future draft capital that is not dependent on Spurs performance.
2. Going for success earlier due to Wemby's readiness, and therefore attracting FA's to join DJM + Wemby (Manu was quoted early Nov in TP's intvw that it'll take min 3 years for team to compete for championships, and that FAs will come once they see the opportunity of winning). In short: why waste Wemby's readiness now waiting for 2024, 2025, and 2026 top 10 picks to be "ready" to compete 3 years after they were drafted?
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