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Huh? No.
You wanted them to trade up for a guy no one even heard of?
I said they got him in the late first to lock him into a very cheap rate. Did you get hit on the head or something?
Huh? No.
You wanted them to trade up for a guy no one even heard of?
I said they got him in the late first to lock him into a very cheap rate. Did you get hit on the head or something?
again!
Why does any team take a first rounder?
Unlbelievable!
Mahinmi was drafted in the first round because that first round promise was the only way he'd stay in the draft. Without that promise, he was going back to France or perhaps Gonzaga.
Hasn't someone already explained this to you?
True, but the attraction was also there to lock him into a low rate. Draft him in the second round and his cost could very well be exorbitant (to the Spurs) by the time he comes over. I'm sure you must have thought there was some value to the Spurs to take him there. You're pretty smart.
What?! You're talking gibberish.
Why does any team take a first rounder?
Unlbelievable!
They wanted him. What are you saying?
Drafting him in the second round wasn't an option.
I'm saying they wanted him.
And taking him in the first round was the ONLY way to get him.
There was no choice.
I'm not saying it was. But there's a big risk taking anybody in the late 1st, since it's guaranteed money. They wanted him enough to grab him before anyone caught word of him in later years, but there was also value in getting him cheaply.
The Spurs could easily have done the thing and waited until the second round to pick him up (trading for a pick). It's not like Mahinmi could have pulled out in between rounds.
No, the super-cheap rate was highly attractive to them.
Spurs didn't have a second rounder.
Ian was going to pull out of the draft without a 1st round promise.
Ian wanted the guaranteed money.
This is what I'm saying, Chump. I feel I have to use monosyllabic words with you -- whoops.
The Spurs liked the guaranteed money, too. Because it is extremely inexpensive. That's all I'm saying.
Just like every other team that ever gave out a scale contract.
Whoopie.
That's two syllables.
This was probably the only chance the Spurs would ever have with Ian so they took it.
Now it's all part of the evil conspiracy.
Now you get it. Thanks. That was about 20 messages for a simple point.
If they acquired a second rounder, sure it was. Teams have reneged on promises before.
That, however, is not my point at all.
You need to tweak your sarcasm detector.
There was no other way to get Ian that year and likely would not be any way to get him in the future.
None.
Ok. Not disputing. All I'm saying is the late first round rate is extremely nice for the Spurs and that they would have taken him there instead of the second, if they had the choice.
Jesus, this takes forever.
Name me a team that would prefer to pay more for any player if they are given the choice.
sometimes it is and sometimes it is not
first rounders have guarantee contracts
second rounders do not
spurs have traded first round picks because of that fact
This is hopeless. My last try:
Name me a team that would prefer to pay more for any player if they are given the choice.
Because letting second rounders develop in Europe has been getting so expensive due to no rules to limit second round contracts and a rising market, acquiring a young developing talent with a late first rounder was very attractive to the Spurs because it locked him into a reduced rate.
This is very simple.
The Spurs didn't have a second rounder and Ian wanted the money he would get from the first round which is more than he thinks he would've gotten had he gone in the second round.
As much as you want it to be, there is no victim in this story.
Ian wanted to be taken in the first round. The Spurs took him in the first round.
Very simple.
You must have flunked kindergarten. I didn't say there was a victim to this story. I said it worked for the Spurs just as much as it did Mahinmi, because of the cost.
Read this again:
It worked for both parties, marked a shift in tactics for the Spurs, and might be the direction they go in the future. I would not expect them to use 2nd rounders on developing Europeans ever again.Because letting second rounders develop in Europe has been getting so expensive due to no rules to limit second round contracts and a rising market, acquiring a young developing talent with a late first rounder was very attractive to the Spurs because it locked him into a reduced rate.
Did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?
My god man, do you look for situations where you can concot all sorts of weird stories that work only if you ignore the facts? And then you try to turn around and say it is other people who don't understand? You're dense dude.This is hopeless. My last try:
Because letting second rounders develop in Europe has been getting so expensive due to no rules to limit second round contracts and a rising market, acquiring a young developing talent with a late first rounder was very attractive to the Spurs because it locked him into a reduced rate.
This is very simple.
What Chump is trying to tell you is the ONLY motivation for picking Ian in first was because thats what he wanted. You realize that picking a player in the first as opposed to the 2nd because you want to pay them less is an absolutely stupid idea considering that you never have to sign or pay a 2nd rounder unless he turns into something but you ALWAYS have to pay a 1st rounder becaue they are guarnteed a contract?
You're logic is so off base here it is flat out amazing.
It wouldn't if you weren't such a ing idiot. What team wants to pay more for a player?
Show me all these second rounders that are getting so "expensive."Because letting second rounders develop in Europe has been getting so expensive due to no rules to limit second round contracts and a rising market, acquiring a young developing talent with a late first rounder was very attractive to the Spurs because it locked him into a reduced rate.
This is very simple.
I want to see names and salaries.
Manny... read what I'm saying. There was clear value for picking Mahinmi there, apart from it being the only place they could get him.
No one. Did I say this anywhere?
1) Scola.Show me all these second rounders that are getting so "expensive."
I want to see names and salaries.
2) Javtokas.
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