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This is the final statement.It worked for both parties, marked a shift in tactics for the Spurs, and might be the direction they go in the future. I would not expect them to use 2nd rounders on developing Europeans ever again.
Read what he is saying - drafting Ian in the first round was the only way to get him. If they hadn't he would have withdrawn from the draft and gone to Gonzaga
Give me your address so I can send over a crobar so you can pry your head out of your ass on this one.
This is the final statement.It worked for both parties, marked a shift in tactics for the Spurs, and might be the direction they go in the future. I would not expect them to use 2nd rounders on developing Europeans ever again.
1) Scola.
2) Javtokas.You made it out like teams across the league were ponying up 10 mil a year for second rounders. That's it? That's your proof?
You're trying to hold up Scola with a bad contract as proof? And Javtokas and his 'cost' weren't even an issue when they drafted Ian.
Just admit you're wrong and find a new thread to dumb down.
So you think the Spurs will never draft a Euro with a 2nd rounder again? Instead, they'll pay them all 1st round money even though many may never pan out. And this will all be to save money?
Mr. Body I hope you don't balance your own checkbook.
And you're still wrong.
Broken record time - the Spurs didn't have a first rounder and it was the ONLY way they were ever going to have a shot at Ian. They'll use second rounders for Euros in the future. Why not? At worst, they keep a potentially good player out of the hands of their compe ion. Why use it on some ty Division III player who has no NBA potential?It worked for both parties, marked a shift in tactics for the Spurs, and might be the direction they go in the future. I would not expect them to use 2nd rounders on developing Europeans ever again.That is without a doubt the lamest insult ever hurled at me across the internets.Did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?
Did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?
You keep pulling me back in! This is really getting hilarious.
I am not disputing Mahinmi was in the draft with a promise to get picked there. Teams have overturned such promises in the past and drafted guys in the 2nd they promised to get in the 1st. Spurs could've pulled a 2nd somewhere, whatever. That's not the point.
I was talking about future contracts and future players. You seem to have missed this entirely.
The point is that 2nd rounders on developing talent is getting way too expensive, because the market is rather high. The low yearly rates for the 29th and 30th picks the Spurs usually have is attractive to them, when they know they have a sure thing. There were lots of questions about why the Spurs took Mahinmi there when he easily would have been available in the 2nd. This is the reason why. Why, as a PARADIGM, this approach works very well.
IF they could have drafted him in the 2nd, PROBABLY in two or three years, he'd be expecting $3M or similar. THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL. That's why, even if they could have gotten him in the 2nd, they wouldn't. And the reason why they won't pull developing talent in the 2nd again- as I see it.
I'm surprised you didn't recognize it from Heathers. Good movie.
Yes. If, and only if, they know he's close to a sure thing, as Mahinmi is.
I too am surprised. I must have forgotten such a lame line from an otherwise good movie.
Your paradigm is one of financial stupidity. Seriously, who on earth would rather give each guy they were drafting guarnteed money when their talent didn't warrant it simply at the off chance they might blow up and cost more? It is insanely re ed.
So to save a million on the 1 out of 5 or so Euros (pulling numbers out of my ass here) that make it, you're willing to pay a million to each for 3 years.
Do you really not see the stupidity in your idea?
Well, I meant it as a subtext that we're all getting catty.
Mahinmi is far from a sure thing. And most of the players we draft in Europe ar far from sure things. In fact, the Spurs have no sure things at the moment that they have drafted.
Thank God we didn't have to give Beno the full MLE....
Where is it getting too expensive? Scola is too pricey because of his dumbass contract buyout he agreed to.The point is that 2nd rounders on developing talent is getting way too expensive, because the market is rather high. The low yearly rates for the 29th and 30th picks the Spurs usually have is attractive to them, when they know they have a sure thing.
Javtokas? His agent overplayed his hand with Rasho and Nazr gone, and the LLE offer that he got was more than fair.
There are no questions as to why the Spurs took Ian in the first. Everyone knows, except you, apparently, that the only reason he stayed in the draft was because the Spurs promised to pick him in the first round.There were lots of questions about why the Spurs took Mahinmi there when he easily would have been available in the 2nd. This is the reason why. Why, as a PARADIGM, this approach works very well.
This isn't a hard fact to grasp unless you got dropped on your head 20 times as a child.
Well, if the Spurs hadn't taken him in the first round they'd probably be forced to. He's a sure thing.
It only works if the player is a certainty - or nearly. Drafting in the late 1st is a huge risk as it is. They would have only taken Mahinmi if the risk of him busting was low. It was an interesting to take him there, and I wonder if it'll work in the future. I'm going to far to say they'll never take a foreign prospect in the 2nd, but they certainly know the dangers now. The philosophy used to be wait until the 2nd comes around and nab him for free, but now the risk on that end is fairly high. If another unknown Mahinmi-type comes around and they have both 1st and 2nd rounders, I would not be stunned to see them gank him with the 1st.
Mr. Body = Spurstalk punching bag.
What do you want to bet on this one? Put your money where your mouth is.I'm going to far to say they'll never take a foreign prospect in the 2nd
I think everyone's right that this has nothing to do with what happened when they drafted Ian last year, but there actually is a valid point here. Signing our overseas second round picks has become more drenched in drama recently.
First round picks (1) have a locked-in salary, and an affordable cost for several years (2) don't require an exception to sign, which matters now that we're consistently over the cap.
Second rounders in general are dirt cheap, because they're fighting to make the league. But if you draft someone in the second round and then leave them overseas until they become stars in their prime, its only going to get harder to convince them to come over here for the LLE and not suck up at least a chunk of your MLE.
Along with the improved NBA-wide scouting of Europe, this is only going to make it harder to find and bring over second round Euro-steals in the future.
Scola is going to expect at least $2.5M when his contract expires. Javtokas is worth at least that, according to market. Don't you think, if they had the chance, they would have gone back and drafted them with late 1st rounders instead?
The only examples anyone can come up with are Scola, who isn't even legit because his contract buyout is the complication in those negotations, and Javtokas, whose agent overplayed his hand with Rasho and Nazr gone.its only going to get harder to convince them to come over here for the LLE and not suck up at least a chunk of your MLE.
This whole 'the world is ending for the Spurs trying to sign their second rounders' is a bit premature, to say the least.
What he expects and what he gets are two different things.Scola is going to expect at least $2.5M when his contract expires.
Apparently not, the Spurs didn't think he was worth the LLE (1.9).Javtokas is worth at least that, according to market.
If those guys were worth a first round pick in their draft years, they wouldn't have fallen to the very end of the second round.
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