Spot Number 31 - Top 50 Spurs

[FromWayDowntown]

Bob Hill won a lot of games and got his team to a conference final, but lost to a team his squad should have beaten. Stan Albeck won a lot of games and got his teams to two conference finals, and lost to teams that his squad shouldn't have beaten.

Oh, and Stan Albeck's players didn't revolt.

Just sayin.

[baseline bum]

Since you suggested putting Rodney on the list above Vinny, it proves to me the failure of your logic enough to inspire a vote for Del Negro. I've got to give you credit for not suggesting someone ludicrous like Barry should be on the list ahead of him.

Strickland deserves to be far ahead of Del Negro. He was awesome in that series with Portland despite throwing that horrible pass. The barfight was bull , but Strickland was always solid on the floor for the Spurs.

[ChuckD]

I know it won't be popular, but I voted for Bob Hill. We had some good teams with a lot of wins while he was our coach, and despite his shortcomings he deserves at least some of the credit for that. At spot #31, that's enough for me to vote for him ahead of role players like Brent Barry.

Bob Hill was a selfish prick who took all the credit for wins, and threw his players under the bus for losses. If we are "honoring" people here, he shouldn't make the list at all.

[baseline bum]

I know it won't be popular, but I voted for Bob Hill. We had some good teams with a lot of wins while he was our coach, and despite his shortcomings he deserves at least some of the credit for that. At spot #31, that's enough for me to vote for him ahead of role players like Brent Barry.

Bob Hill. He got into the pissing match with Rodman that screwed this team in the 95 WCF. Bob Hill is the worst coach this team ever had. I can't believe someone with the screen name Admiral would vote for one of the people responsible for earning Robinson the soft label.

[Admiral]

Bob Hill. He got into the pissing match with Rodman that screwed this team in the 95 WCF. Bob Hill is the worst coach this team ever had. I can't believe someone with the screen name Admiral would vote for one of the people responsible for earning Robinson the soft label.

You are awesome, bbum. I would expect nothing less than this kind of response from you!

I don't know details about Bob Hill's tenure in San Antonio. My point was that we had a couple of our best seasons when Hill was our coach. He deserves at least some of the credit for those seasons. I'm not advocating that he be enshrined in the Spurs Hall of Fame, but rather acknowledging the good teams he was involved with. A similar argument could be made for John Lucas.

I don't remember a "pissing match" with Rodman, but it would take a lot for me to take Rodman's side on anything. Rodman is the guy to blame for at least two of our playoff disappointments. His selfish behavior and "me first" at ude was lethal. Drop-kicking John Stockton at the three point line, refusing to sit on the bench with the rest of his team, taking his shoes off, walking out of practice, etc. The list of his antics are way too long to mention. Anything Hill did to stand up to him was certainly warranted.

[baseline bum]

You are awesome, bbum. I would expect nothing less than this kind of response from you!

I don't know details about Bob Hill's tenure in San Antonio. My point was that we had a couple of our best seasons when Hill was our coach. He deserves at least some of the credit for those seasons. I'm not advocating that he be enshrined in the Spurs Hall of Fame, but rather acknowledging the good teams he was involved with. A similar argument could be made for John Lucas.

I don't remember a "pissing match" with Rodman, but it would take a lot for me to take Rodman's side on anything. Rodman is the guy to blame for at least two of our playoff disappointments. His selfish behavior and "me first" at ude was lethal. Drop-kicking John Stockton at the three point line, refusing to sit on the bench with the rest of his team, taking his shoes off, walking out of practice, etc. The list of his antics are way too long to mention. Anything Hill did to stand up to him was certainly warranted.

If you think I'm taking Rodman's side, you haven't been reading a lot of my posts lately. I have to think Hill was almost as much of a prick as Rodman in 95, considering how he couldn't get an NBA job for 11 years after David (allegedly) demanded Pop fire him in 96-97.

[SenorSpur]

Since you suggested putting Rodney on the list above Vinny, it proves to me the failure of your logic enough to inspire a vote for Del Negro. I've got to give you credit for not suggesting someone ludicrous like Barry should be on the list ahead of him.

Strickland may only be remembered by some here for that terrible pass in the Portland series, which is unfortunate. Truth be known is Strickland was one of the better PGs this franchise had up to that point. A do-everything, pass-first, PG, who, along with Fat Lever, was one of the better rebounding PGs of his era and an excellent finisher around the rim. He may have had his contractual issues with management and a few off-the-court scrapes, but the dude played hard, played with passion and was a significant contributor to the team, while here with the Spurs. He wasn't a guy simply skating by on pure talent.

If you're not familiar with Strickland or didn't see him play, that's fine. However, don't try to undermine my case without providing any facts. Besides, there is absolutely nothing you can say that would make a legitimate case for Del Negro, who was nothing more than a gutless pig of a player, during his stint with the team. That, my friend, is a fact.

If you think Del Negro was a more significant contributor to the Spurs than Strickland, it's a clear indication to me that you don't know baskeball.

[Admiral]

If you think I'm taking Rodman's side, you haven't been reading a lot of my posts lately. I have to think Hill was almost as much of a prick as Rodman in 95, considering how he couldn't get an NBA job for 11 years after David (allegedly) demanded Pop fire him in 96-97.

I don't think you are taking Rodman's side (and no, I haven't been here to read many of your posts lately). My point is that Rodman deserves the blame for 1995 long before Hill does.

I would like to know more about what went down regarding Bob Hill. All I knew at the time was that it seemed crappy for Pop to fire Hill and hire himself on the day David was to return from injury. I was not aware of the behind-the-scenes stuff that might have occurred, like players taking sides and all that. If anyone can shed any light on it, I would love to hear it.

Returning to the thread at hand, I realize that I'm not going to get many to agree with me about Bob Hill at #31. That's fine. I'm not a big Hill fan myself, but at #31 we aren't exactly talking about the best players and coaches the franchise has to offer...

[Obstructed_View]

If you're not familiar with Strickland or didn't see him play, that's fine. However, don't try to undermine my case without providing any facts. Besides, there is absolutely nothing you can say that would make a legitimate case for Del Negro, who was nothing more than a gutless pig of a player, during his stint with the team. That, my friend, is a fact.

Your case isn't all that hard to undermine, since you say that Vinny's contributions can't overcome the negative effect of his presence, and then prop up Rodney while saying that the turnover that cost the Spurs a chance to go to the Finals should be overlooked. You also suggest that I haven't provided you any facts, but when someone gave you stats you dismissed them without thought. If I've provided zero facts to support my case, then we're tied at this point.

I don't think Rodney was a terrible player, but you only put him on the list of people that should be ahead of Del Negro as an insult. I only voted for Del Negro because you hate him so much.

Was Strickland a better point guard? Of course, because only one of them was a point guard. Vinny played out of position because the Spurs didn't have a point guard and did the best he could without complaint. Not sure why you hate Del Negro, but you haven't stated an actual fact to make a case against him.