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Same here. I alway have to remind my wife how successful we've been the last eight years.
I laugh whenever I hear the left claim how Bush has run this country "into the ground".
Same here. I alway have to remind my wife how successful we've been the last eight years.
I laugh whenever I hear the left claim how Bush has run this country "into the ground".
Dont foget that the unemployment rate for this decade has been much lower than that of the 90s, 80s and 70s.
But getting back to this discussion, what are Obama's greatest achievements?
I'm not ready to buy a beach house, and I haven't gotten to the point of investing, but..
I do own a home - one that I bought well within my means. The mortgage companies may have approved me for "x" amount, but I did my homework on different loans..and I didn't buy a $700,000 home on a $50,000 salary.
And, I'm working my way out of debt from my "stupid" years otherwise known as "my 20's."
I know that there are some hard working people out of jobs right now, and that totally sucks that they're now struggling just to make ends meet.
But there are also plenty of people who never looked to the future with their finances, and now they're paying the price.
You can't blame stupid financial mistakes that you made on Bush.
edit: By the way, I have nothing good to add on Obama.
What have we learned in this thread? The economy is in great shape because two posters on Spurstalk have done well financially. No need to pay attention to the news or economic statistics.
Nice post and I completely agree.
He successfully voted "PRESENT" 130 times while serving as an IL State senator.
europe likes him lol
Good question. Ummmmm
I would say The speech that launched Barack Obama's Presidential Campaign
Obama's signature theme is "CHANGE" but it appears that Obama's pattern is not in agreement. Obama votes with the winners (the crowd) Why? Personal Political Gains? Dems and Repubs = Public Servants = Public Hijackers of the American people. Both Dems/Repubs are making a killing from the war(s). Why on earth would they want to stop their millions from war profits on their own? Why isn't war profiteering a conflict of interest??? Dems promised to do something about Bush abuse of power. But we have seen nothing. Obama and McCain are lookAlikes (wannaBe for change and wannaBE maverick) When it comes to political/personal gain they know which side the butter is spread on.
"Obama aggressively opposed initiating impeachment proceedings against the president ("Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable," USA Today, June 28, 2007) and he wouldn't even support Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold's effort to censure the Bush administration for illegally wiretapping American citizens in violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. In Feingold's words "I'm amazed at Democrats cowering with this president's number's so low." Once again, it's troubling that Obama would take these positions and miss the opportunity to do ent the abuses of the Bush regime." Matt Gonzalez
The biggest difference I see in this election is "The Dems have so much to learn about persuasion and public opinion. They behave as if life is fair and that the highroad leads to the White House."
Things on Wall Street are rocky lately, sure. I don't think there's anyone that would disagree with that.
But this isn't the first time, in the history of our country, where times have been a little tough. The market fluctuates. This is nothing new.
Things WILL get better.
Why do you think that financial experts are always telling you to stick by investments? Why do you think your 401K is invested in over YEARS, not months?
But yeah. By all means...Damn that Bush! It's all his fault!
I think you successfully pleaded your case as to what is wrong with the US economy...And no, I don't make more money than I did 8 years, but that's only because I'm some dirty hippie welfare cheat.
I'm saying mine is OK, but hardly good. In the past 2 years, it's recessed a bit.
Of course, I'm better off than most people for a variety of reasons, so I'm not a good judge of the overal outlook
Tax cuts during wartime! Surpluses turned into deficits! Yes, Bush is quite the Adam Smith here. You're out of your element, Donnie.
obamessiah sure seems to have made a bit of money under bush's terms.
he wants to tax the big companies that are going bankrupt
But it isn't run into the ground...the point I'm going after is that I think that the majority of people would say that they are doing at LEAST as good as they were when Bush took office.I'm saying mine is OK, but hardly good. In the past 2 years, it's recessed a bit.
Of course, I'm better off than most people for a variety of reasons, so I'm not a good judge of the overal outlook
(I'd start a new thread with a poll here but can't figure out how to do it)
That's beyond the point. The top 1% now make 23% of the income, IIRC. The last time that rate was that high was right before the Great Depression. Executive salaries keep skyrocketing while lower level pay increases aren't keeping pace with inflation the last couple of years. The difference is too extreme to maintain economic feasibility.
Either peon wages need to increase, or executives need to decrease, to maintain a status quo on purchasing power for the poorer portions of the country. Otherwise you end up with no non-necessity shopping, which stagnates the economy even further.
Have you noticed that just like the Great Depression, financial ins utions are failing now as well, and the stock market is very worried about the bottom falling out.
There's a lot of similarities between the current situation and the leadup to the Great Depression, enough to be concerned about it, anyway. That's why it's worth keeping track of economic growth, at the moment. If it does tip into true recession, we could be in for some serious trouble.
And no, I'm not blaming any particular party. Both have had major influences in building this climate.
Things are just great. The financial news coming from Wall Street is very good. And if you're having trouble paying your bills, you, you had it coming.
Agreed, but this is not the time to start any "New Deal II" policies. If anything, the way the recession was handled after the crash of '29 shows that there should be LESS government involvement and not more. Hoover and FDR pushed what would have been a recession into the Great Depression.
Im not sure the "voting present 130 times" deserves to be on the list because that would open up the topic for every bill he co-sponsored or didn't vote "present".
Plus I want to keep sarcasm off the list.
To recap:
1) Won the nomination
2) Isn't Bush
Well, John McCain, like you I am not an economist, but the gist of it seems to be that Wall Street went on a bender and bet the house that pooling a bunch of bad mortgages into bigger packages would be winners. Now the government is trying to avert a financial meltdown on a daily basis by giving away money, betting that the value of the US dollar will prop things up while the hurricane blows.
he speaks french...i think
Heres the basic comparison if you or I were applying for a job:
Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Laude
& Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world?
That's still better than John "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated" McCain.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110007600
So this guy is supposed to be President because the Vietcong hit him a few times? Obama may not have held political office all his life, which isn't exactly a minus in my book, but at least when he speaks, he demonstrates he knows what he's talking about.
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Right on!