Billups/JR/Melo/K/Nene.............. YEH!!
i don't understand this trade. i thought the nuggets were trying to rebuild since they basically traded camby away for nothing. iverson's contract would have expired this year and they would have $20 million of salary cleared. they don't honestly think they can compete for a championship just by acquiring billups do they?
Denver hasn't had a true point guard for a few years. This should benefit their scorers. Less compe ion for the ball. A clutch 4th quarter player. I think Denver gets better. AI is way overpaid for the amount of wins he creates. He completely dominates the ball and throws off any team concept. Detroit seemed like a cohesive group but I can't see that remaining with AI on their team.
Thsi whole "I don't wan to play for them, buy me out" is getting old. These players are way too spoiled. The NBA needs to do something about that. I understand its their lives and they can do what they wants, but something has to be tweaked when it comes to that.
well i dont know how a buyout works but im assuming its a negotiation. I'm guessing Denver pays only some of his salary and saves some money.
Someone said they are close to getting below the luxury tax but im not sure about that.
I'm happy for you NuGGeTs-FaN. We need a cartwheel smilie for you.
+1
With AI and Melo, Denver had 2 top scorers, which is not easy to manage.
With Billups, they have a stabilizer, a leader at the PG position and a clutch shooter.
Dice will be a good addition to their frontline
thanks Duncan228
Going to be awesome seeing a real PG running the show and seeing JR start. I think alot of people are underestimating the impact of him starting. I guess you could liken it to moving Billups so Stuckey can get minutes, same goes for moving AI so JR can shine.
J.R Smith is going to benefit from this trade in a big way IMO
for sure.Watch him tear it up for 20+ppg
Billups makes Denver better because of his team style of play. However, he does have a hard time staying in front of guys like Parker, Williams, and CP3. Will coach Karl change their style of offense? I doubt it. That is another thing you have to consider.
Good trade for Detroit, imo.
You haven't watched enough Pistons if you truly believe that. Not that Iverson is a great defender, but Billups is an extremely overrated defender, and hasn't defended well in 3+ seasons. He can't stay in front of quicker guards at all, and has struggled both defensively and offensively in the past three Eastern Conferenc Finals.
Offensively, it's a huge upgrade because the Pistons have continually lacked a player that consistently attacked the rim in the starting unit. They didn't have a guy that commanded double teams out on the perimeter and forced defenses to foul them as they attacked the rim. Of course Iverson isn't the same player as five years ago. But, he brings a dynamic that very much gives the Pistons an element they've been missing for some time now. They have a superstar caliber player that forces teams to double him and force them to foul him. And, when it's a close game late in the fourth quarter, they have a guy that won't settle for long perimter jump shots.
How well AI can incorporate himself and how well he adjusts with everyone and everyon adjusts to him will be a matter of time. It won't be easy. The Pistons might not be legit NBA le contenders after this trade. But, they weren't before the trade either.
Playing the Pistons is gonna be a pain in the ass in NBA 2K9 now. dammit.
-Mars
Good stuff. Since you're a Pistons follower, a few questions for you. Regarding Billups' falloff, what do you attribute this fall off to? How old is he? What other factors do you attributeto as the cause of the Pistons' slide?
Billups falloff is due to a number of things. First and foremost, he wasn't a great defender to begin with. A lot of his reputation as a defender came when most of his mistakes were erased by Ben Wallace playing behind him. But, then obviously the age factor also comes into play. He's now 32 years old, and was already a big, bulky point guard to begin with, who has logged heavy minutes deep into the playoffs for six consecutive seasons. Then lastly, it's his herat and hunger. It simply hasn't been there like it was his first 3 seasons with the Pistons. His cavalier mentality and approach, especially defensively, has been quite obvious to Pistons fans who follow the team closely. All that said, it's not to bash the guy. He was still a great leader, good teammate, and a nice face of the franchise for a couple seasons. But, it's a lot of bull to criticize how Iverson's defense will be such a drop off from Billups' defense when Billups was an average point guard defender to begin with.
As for the Pistons in general, there are a bunch of factors, including complacency, lack of hunger, lack of an attack-the-basket, dribble-drive perimeter player, and simply not being better than the opponents they've faced. The only time the Pistons really choked away a golden opportunity to advance, in my opinion, was in 2007 against the Cavaliers. The Pistons were better than that Cavs team. But, in 2005, the Spurs were better. In 2006, the Heat on paper weren't better, but they definitely outplayed the Pistons, as Dwyane Wade was just unstoppable that playoffs. And, last year, Boston was the better team.
The slide is due to a lot of factors. But, also, was just getting stale. It was time for a shake-up. And, I for one am ecstatic about the trade.
o Denver welcome to the POs for real. Everyone knew that AI was a gimmick. Nows thats the Pistons problem. The West just got 2 better players then the east. Now how will they effect their ball clubs? Who knows. Karl is a terrible coach. I didnt like him as a spur. As a ball player and coach he is just sub-par. If the Nuggets had another coach maybe they would have a chance this season. But with Karl with the ropes and that kind of talent. Not gonna happen. I know one thing is for sure. Since Melo and James came into the league, they came in with high hopes. And both of their ball clubs have made alot of changes in order to keep Melo and James happy. And it still hasnt worked for either. Especially Melo's end. And Ill say there arent many coaches in todays league that can manage a team with alot of talent. Id say maybe 4 tops. And Pop is easily in the top 2.
Some of you are way overrating Chauncey Billups and what he brings.
Love the guy, but he doesn't make Denver much better at all.
Billups has been in a sharp decline. His absolute apex was the 2004 playoffs. He even declined from 2004 to 2005. But since then, he's been getting worse and worse. It's not always noticeable because he can still put up good stats but he's much less explosive than he used to be. He's also underperformed in the playoffs routinely in the last handful of years.
For the Spurs, Denver was more scary with AI. They can deal with Billups. Although, Billups' steady hand could give them a shot against other teams who can match their athleticism.
But overall, the Nuggets were going nowhere fast with AI. Now with this trade, they are taking on even more money and are still going nowhere fast. The Nuggets would have been smart to blow up and start over. Now that becomes even more difficult.
Does no one ready what I say?
Do you not understand the concept of me directly replying to someone who directed a post towards me and even and even quoted my post?
This was not a shot at you, but people asking the same questions for which there are already answers.
and i do not know why i quoted you (brain fart) i meant to quote this one.
We normally don't see blockbusters three days into November, so when word leaked of a possible Allen Iverson-Chauncey Billups swap, a double check of the calendar was needed.
Yep, the season is less than a week old. Still, with the trade deadline more than three months away, two playoff teams have apparently seen enough to send a couple of All-Stars packing.
Denver is giving up on Iverson less than two years after prying the former MVP out of Philadelphia. The Nuggets receive a package from Detroit that includes Billups and Antonio McDyess.
Declaring a clear-cut winner in this deal is like debating that Tina Fey does a better Palin than Will Ferrell does Bush. Both sides make a compelling case.
You don't need to live in Motown to grasp what's going on with the Pistons. Celebrate their string of 50-win seasons and yearly status as a serious le contender. The majority of the league's teams would gladly change places.
Also realize the vibe has grown stale. Joe Dumars promised change after last season and that turnover finally included players and not just coaches. Exchanging Flip Saunders for Michael Curry is one thing. Bringing in AI is another risk, albeit a calculated one.
Billups has been the Pistons' heart and soul this decade. He's also the most tradable high-salaried piece. And with Rodney Stuckey waiting in the wings, Billups became expendable.
Scratch that. He became expendable for AI. The Nuggets have been shopping Iverson all summer. Though money played a part, this isn't the strict cash dump that Marcus Camby was.
The Iverson-Carmelo Anthony experiment failed. The Nuggets didn't and weren't going to get out of the first round with their Mile High scorers. Billups, a Denver native who made a brief stop in his hometown early in his career, is the classic point guard this team needs.
Anthony, J.R. Smith and Kenyon Martin should benefit from Billups' steady hand. Sure, the Nuggets are still in that 7-9 seed range in the Western Conference. The playoffs aren't a sure thing, but Iverson leaving via free agency after the season was.
Billups is under contract through 2011, with a team option for another year. Getting a player of his caliber for one with one foot out the door is a coup for general manager Mark Warkentien. McDyess, also a former Nugget and solid role player in Detroit, may decide to retire instead of reporting to Denver.
The Pistons have a season to figure out if Iverson can mesh with Rasheed Wallace, Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. Detroit remains Boston's most serious challenger in the East, though LeBron has other ideas.
If the recalibrated Pistons don't fire come the postseason, Dumars can retool again next summer. With Iverson and Wallace potentially off the books, Detroit could have as much as $35 million to spend.
Or the Pistons could be planning another parade. Dumars rolled the dice in 2004 with Wallace and a championship followed. Iverson is still seeking that elusive first ring.
It's never too early to think big or make big changes.
http://www.nba.com/2008/news/feature...eax/index.html
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