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My Piston fan co-worker is preparing to kill himself.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3679931
The Nuggets and Pistons have agreed in principle on a trade that would send Allen Iverson to Detroit and Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess and Cheikh Samb to Denver, sources have told ESPN.
The deal has not been finalized.
This would be the second time Iverson has been traded in two years. He was dealt by Philadelphia to Denver in December 2006, kicked out of Philly over irreconcilable differences as part of a package that brought Andre Miller to the 76ers.
Last edited by MoSpur; 11-03-2008 at 01:12 PM.
My Piston fan co-worker is preparing to kill himself.
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Lol
The West lacks any great teams outside of SA and Utah.
Why in the would Detroit do that deal? I thought Dumars was one of the better GMs in the league.
Iverson helps them more now and they clear salary for next year, great deal for Pistons.
McDyees will probably remain a Piston. I think its a Brent Barry type of thing.
there is no ing way! BIllups for Iversion?????
what the are they thinkin in Detroit????
Billups is on his decline just as much as people think Iverson is. Billups can't guard the smaller, quicker point guards, and has failed to show up in the last three post seasons. Iverson gives Detroit that superstar player that commands double teams and will actually attack the rim in crunch time rather than shoot long perimeter jumpers. Is Iverson the same guy as 5 years ago? Of course not, but he's still a of a scorer and brings an element to the Pistons that they've been lacking all this time.
At the very worst, if it doesn't work on the court, Iverson's contract plus Rasheed's expiring contract equates to about $25 million in cap space next summer. Now, the Pistons have never been able to get that max superstar type player, and the owner doesn't want to pay a max superstar type player. But, what it will do is enable the Pistons to go after multiple quality players to reconstruct their team.
There are multiple reasons the Pistons do it. As constructed with Billups, the Pistons were no threat to win an NBA le this season. They still might not be, but I believe they're in better position to compete this year and it opens up a myriad of possibilities going forward after this season.
Some say Iverson is on his decline. Well, so is Billups. It's basically an even swap. I think it's a great trade for the Pistons.
I might be biased because Iverson has been my favorite player forever.
no way. Billups' defense is 10x Iverson's defense. And they are pretty much same offensively at this point.
Billups takes care of the ball better and passes way, way better.
crazy trade if true
I'm not sure Billups would make Denver any better. IMO, Denver is likely lottery bound either way this year. Detroit picks up a ton of cap space next year, and Iverson may do ok with the nucleus they have there.
But I think Dumars is thinking more about dumping salary for '09-'10.
I think it's a great trade for those teams. Both need changes
love it for both teams.
a Billups/JR back court sounds a heck of alot better than Carter/Iverson
I have to disagree. Billups might be a better defender on the low block, but Iverson is more of a pest. Hence him being in the top 5 in steals. Not to mention Iverson is better at staying in front of quicker guards. If you let Iverson play in a defensive system, his abilities are at least a wash to Billups.
Then offensively Iverson is much better than Billups as a scorer, always has been. He will allow for them to run and gun a little more and draw more fouls. Iverson averages more assist than Billups as well.
Not to mention that they will get to start a more explosive back court in Stuckey/Iverson.
bostons road to finals is easier with one less team to worry about
nuggets, need a real PG, they got them that, now....stacked at the big frontline though...
Nuggets have a press conference in 30minutes
did AI buy a house there in DEN?
I know you are excited! It was a good trade for both teams. Melo is going to benefit the most.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3679931
The shakeup promised by Detroit Pistons president Joe Dumars after last season's Eastern Conference finals has materialized just two games into the new season.
The Pistons have reached an agreement in principle with the Denver Nuggets to acquire guard Allen Iverson in exchange for Detroit mainstays Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess, club sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith.
Young center Cheikh Samb, selected by the Los Angeles Lakers for the Pistons with the 51st overall pick in the 2006 draft, will also be going to Denver in the deal, reports ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.
Doh ! Wrong Forum..Sorry folks.
I can't decide, but I'm pretty sure Nuggets are getting the better end of the deal. Mcdyess AND Billups for just AI?
its official!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3679931The shakeup promised by Detroit Pistons president Joe Dumars after last season's Eastern Conference finals has materialized just two games into the new season.
The Pistons and the Denver Nuggets have finalized a trade that sends guard Allen Iverson to Detroit in exchange for Pistons mainstays Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess.
Young center Cheikh Samb, selected by the Los Angeles Lakers for the Pistons with the 51st overall pick in the 2006 draft, will also be going to Denver in the deal, reports ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.
It remains to be seen how McDyess' status is resolved, as the 34-year-old reportedly has no interest in playing for any team other than the Pistons, meaning McDyess could choose to retire or negotiate a contract buyout with Denver.
Dumars put the entire Pistons roster on notice after they lost to Boston in the East finals, saying that there "are no sacred cows" on his team and vowing to consider trading anyone -- even a major contributor to the Pistons' 2004 le run like Billups -- in addition to firing coach Flip Saunders and replacing Saunders with the untested Michael Curry.
The Pistons could not find a workable deal over the summer after talking with numerous teams -- Denver included, according to NBA front-office sources -- but it emerged then that Billups, MVP of the 2004 Finals, was the most likely Piston to be dealt.
With Denver's desire to acquire a dependable point guard growing, Dumars moved quickly to finally consummate this deal with the Nuggets, who acquired Iverson from Philadelphia shortly before Christmas in 2006 but failed in two attempts to get out of the first round with a three-man core of Iverson, Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Camby.
Camby was jettisoned to the Los Angeles Clippers in a straight salary dump in July for luxury-tax purposes. After playing sparingly in the preseason, Iverson was stripped of his captaincy last week and averaged just over 13 shots per game as the Nuggets opened with a 1-2 mark.
The Nuggets will be hoping now that the homecoming Billups, a Denver native who starred collegiately at the University of Colorado, meshes better with Anthony, given that he's more of a natural point guard than Iverson. Yet there is some risk for the Nuggets, since Billups is 32 and has three more seasons left on his deal after this one, with the four years totaling in excess of $50 million.
Both Billups and McDyess were Nuggets in the 1990s.
The Pistons, meanwhile, will undoubtedly contend that their risks are mitigated by the fact that Iverson, who turned 33 in June, is in the final year of his contract at $20.8 million.
Dumars loves to gamble on players who are reputed to possess as many minuses as pluses, as seen with the trade-deadline acquisition of Rasheed Wallace in 2004 which spurred Detroit to its first championship since Dumars was playing in 1990. If this gamble doesn't work, swapping Billups for Iverson would give Detroit financial flexibility to pursue a more aggressive makeover next summer, with the highly regarded Rodney Stuckey staying put as the long-term cornerstone of the Pistons' backcourt.
if Dyess is bought out, then i hope the Nuggs play hardball and buy him out cheaply
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