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Before jumping on the bandwagon, Allen was a big problem in Milwaukee and his defense is still suspect.
He is having a career year but I would still keep Manu over him for the future. I also believe Manu is "more clutch".
If we could keep Ray Allen after this year, I would trade Manu for him, but since we wouldnt be able to keep Ray Ray, I wouldnt give up Manu (who is locked down for 6 years) for him.
Before jumping on the bandwagon, Allen was a big problem in Milwaukee and his defense is still suspect.
He is having a career year but I would still keep Manu over him for the future. I also believe Manu is "more clutch".
If it was the offseason I make the trade in a second... but like LJ pointed out last year, championships are so special because everything has to go perfect and it's so rare things line up so well. This team absolutely has what it takes to become champions again, and who knows when the franchise will ever have things clicking like they are now. You don't mess with a winner and the Spurs are developing into that right now.
I disagree. His longball has slipped marked in the last two, three years. Since that is his best asset, that's not a good sign.He is having a career year but I would still keep Manu over him for the future.
For all those with a hard on for Allen compared to Manu:
Per 48 minutes Allen vs Manu
points - 28.8 - 25.5
FG% - .430 - .480
3FG% - .367 - .390
As - 4.9 - 6.4
Reb - 5.0 - 7.2
You can say Manu doesn't give as many minutes but if needed he'll up them in the playoffs
and we're not even talking about difference in D, Ray humpers don't want to go there.
Wouldn't that be Kyle Korver you stupid ???
Korver is more automatic than Allen by a whole ing lot.
Korver is the best 3 point shooter in the league, I live in Philly, and I get all the games on local TV, and no one has the confidence that Korver does at shooting 3's, this kid hits clutch shots to win games for the Sixers as a rookie and sop re. Allen makes so many 3's because he takes so many.
Did you watch the Rookie challenge game? Korver was 7-9 from behind the arc.
Actually, he wasnt that big of a problem in Mil. The big problems were Glen Robinson and Sam Cassell.
Allen was a problem too, I lived there and all three of them took turns "dogging it".
Manu, is great. Deserved to be in the All-Star game, but come on...Ray Allen is sick. I see your stats and if you look at them you'd think it tells the story...BUT, your going to tell me Manu's stats would be this good if his post players, were Danny Fortson, Reggie Evans and Nick Collison? NO WAY! So while it would be a HUGE plus for the Spurs to get Ray Allen, it won't happen. But I'll tell you what, Ray Allen is the purest shooter in the league and he could very well shoot over 50% from the field AND 45 % from the 3pt line with a Tim Duncan or Shaq in the post. Allen is asked to take way more shots, and create way more of his shots compared to Manu.
Ray Allen is having a career HALF A YEAR - it hasn't even ben a year yet. Let's see how he does come playoff time.
He's playing well now because he's playing for his job, any job. This is the same man who couldn't make it work with the Big Three in Milwaukee (the team that swept the Spurs 2 seasons) - he doesn't play D and he doesn't play as a team all that well. He's like Kobe - only not nearly as good.
You guys are too funny
How many times you saw yesterday to Allen Iverson make a pass?
Are you ready to give Ray 19 shots by game?
Tim have 16.5 and Tony have 13.3, if you bring Ray you must reduce shots to him to Tony and Tim
Ray does 50% more of points in almost the double of shots
And if you take more than 30 minutes to Manu the numbers are growing up
By 48 Minutes: Allen 28,8 Points - Manu 25,5
Efficiency by 48: Manu #21 with 28,39 and Ray isnīt in any Efficiency Ranking
Ray plays for Him, Manu play for the Team
And if Ray wants 100 million, we have Manu for the half of that money
Why do you feel like Ray is playing for himself? He doesn't have ANYONE else on that team except for Rashard Lewis. What people don't realize about Seattle is there are 7 people on that team playing for a job next year, not just Ray Allen. (That includes Nate McMillan) I'm not saying we SHOULD or could get Ray, I am just stating that you cannot compare the Sonics (Team) to the Spurs (Team) Given Manu in the same situation as Ray Allen, you might think Manu is a bit selfish as well.
Give what has gone on since the "Big 3" in Milwaukee, and what the other "2" have done since then, we can hardly blame Ray Allen for not making it work in Milwaukee.
I live in Wisconsin. All we get for basketball is Badger and Bucks coverage. He may have been part of the problem. But if he wouldnt have been with the Puppy Dog and Cassell, I doubt there woulda been a problem.
Per 48 minutes is a lame stat, I can count the number of games Manu has played over 40 minutes on one hand.
I agree that Ray is a great pure shooter, and who knows, with a big man he would probably be shooting 45%. However I think that manu brings that added element that we have never had, except maybe in Mario Ellie and Sean Elliot. Manu is like those guys combined, a slasher with a nack for clutch shots. I just don't think you can give that up for Allen.
sports talk just said that Allen was giving pop a lot of props on coaching.
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