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make him play d against duncan all training camp next season he will improve
if his help d is bad
rember pop thinks rasho's help d is great
They must have missed the Indiana game earlier this yearHe also tends to vanish in big games vs. top compe ion, but do well against the centers he should beat. If you play the Raptors, he's a 20/15 guy.
make him play d against duncan all training camp next season he will improve
if his help d is bad
rember pop thinks rasho's help d is great
Yeah the .500 Pacers who beat them that game with Jermaine O'Neal starting at center and going for 33, 13 and 5.They must have missed the Indiana game earlier this year
My point, LJ, was that they said he disappeared in big games.
He had 20, 15, and 4 in that one.
Yeah TIMVP
That game he mentions Stephen jackson and Ron Artest played.
I WAS THERE!
He played RIGHT WITH O'Neal, alot of his points came on Thomas and Sweetney guarding him.
Mohammed wasn't used on defense very well that night, as all he guarded was Croshure, and Harrison.
Loose the hate.
His 20 was, put backs, pick and roll dunks, hook shots, and the very rare jump shot.
tough rebounder, and NOT soft.
If a guy is a good rebounder, and a good shot blocker (4 blocks means yes, im sorry, your good)
This guy is not soft, hes not a horrible defender, dont believe everything you read on a goddamn message board.
Theres guys on the clippers that clean the locker rooms more intelligent than the morons on basketball messageboards.
I don't get the "lose the hate" term being said over and over in reference to Nazr. The only person on the board that has said he sucks is JimCS.
If someone else says that Nazr is a good offensive rebounder who is not a good defender. That's not hate. That's what he's been so far in his career. Every team he's played for and every scouting report on him will tell you that.
Maybe he'll become a better defender as a Spur. We all hope so. But he is what he is so far.
I don't know exactly how good a defender everyone thinks Malik was in the first place. I'll be interested to see what opponents' FG% is with and without him on the floor in New York. It's a metter of record here.
he was all first team according to the posts in this forum.
Did anyone compare his D to Malik's?
It's completely implied.
Not by everyone. It's just that the Nazr fans get upset when someone says he's not a good defender. And those fans have probably seen him play a total of two or three times, ever. And on the other end of the spectrum, JimCS will say Nazr sucks no matter what. It's somewhere in between. Like I've said 100 times this week, I don't think this trade will have that much impact on the basketball court this season. Malik wasn't doing that much for the Spurs, and Nazr probably won't either. He'll have his share of good and bad games, but I don't think he's a difference maker on the floor over the course of the season.
If he makes the frontline rotation a consistent one, that will be an impact. Is he good enough to do that? We'll see.
Sure if he ends up playing 25+ mpg consistently, he'll be a difference maker. Like you said, we'll see.If he makes the frontline rotation a consistent one, that will be an impact. Is he good enough to do that? We'll see.
nice dig whott. i hope Pop makes Naz have nightmares about him. He needs to fear Pop so he can listen to what he has to say. hopefully he makes the GM look like a genius.
Based on what I've read so far, I'm optimistic. He's a great offensive rebounder who actually likes to dunk (are you listening Rasho?) and an above average defensive rebounder. He shoots for a very high percentage and has some post skill including hook shots (Rasho, o?).
He's not a great defender or shotblocker but then neither was Rasho when he got here. Most importantly, people describe him as being very athletic and not only that, coachable and hard working. To me that says he stands a pretty damn good chance at being a good defender under Pop.
If Rasho had improved his game since he came from Minnesota, today Malik would follow with the team But as Pop doesn´t like as he is playing it had to make the trade
Malik can be the Rasho and TD Backup, if both are playing several minutes, but Rasho remain in the bench sometimes 20 minutes in a game, so the Team needed a Backup Center
Check Rasho´s numbers
Minnesota: 02-03 30.4 Minutes .525 FG% FT% .642 OR 1.90 DR 4.60 TR 6.50 Points 11.2
Spurs 03-04 28.7 Minutes .469 FG% FT% .474 OR 3.10 DR 4.60 TR 7.70 Points 8.7
Spurs 04-05 25.1 Minutes .448 FG% FT% .440 OR 2.70 DR 4.00 TR 6.70 Points 5.7
If Rasho can play 30 Minutes, with 11 points and 6,5 rebounds like he had in Minnesota, we don´t need the trade
Find the similarity between these New York Fans' Quotes:
"The Knicks are just a trade away from a championship!"
"New York has a very talented team, that can win games!"
"Malik Rose was a steal in that trade with SA!"
Yes, I agree.
If they had TD, they could win the championship.
Yes they stole Malik and the two draft picks.
They have won some games.
They are, or don't you remember Marbury making our D look like the Mavs a couple of years ago?
They've got two expiring max contracts, they got 4 #1 picks. Houston's team killer comes off the books in two years. They've got some young and talented fowards as well as some veteran ones.
They can put the entire NBA under the cap.
You don't think any team could use an expiring max contract? Much less two of them? Combined with draft picks and young talent?
Take a look at what Philly just gave up to get Webber...The Knicks have the assests to pull of a blockbuster...whether or not they will actually do it is another question.
"New York has a very talented team, that can win games!"
We just traded for one of their players, some of us wanted to trade for two of their players... and people are saying the guy we got is going to help us win a le.
If they have no talent then why did we just give them two #1 picks and the key sixthman from our last le for the 4th or 5th best player on their team?
The steal is in the eye of the beholder, they have a weak defensive team, that doesn't play hard, and none of their bigs want the pressure of trying to carry the inside load...Malik may not be a franchise big but he can wreck a soft defensive front...Why do you think Pop gave him that contract to keep from going to the Lakers?"Malik Rose was a steal in that trade with SA!"
He's not going to be the long term solution as their inside guy...but he won't back down from the challenge of trying to be that guy and on a lot of nights he will be able to be that guy in the East.
Or didn't you see him bust up the Mavs for a 20 20 game last season when Parker and Duncan were injured?
Rasho has never had a 20 20 game(he's never even come close to it)..and neither has Mohammed.
I'm frankly not impressed with any Spurfan that doesn't think Malik has talent or helped this team win championships.
Malik Rose is no joke.
Last edited by whottt; 02-28-2005 at 11:24 AM.
Inch for inch, I will put Malik up there with anyone as far as being a great rebounder and defender.
If he does this, I will be man enough to admit I was wrong....unlike some in here that have spoken harshly about current and past Spurs over and over.
I hope I am wrong...you would think that Pop knows talent a lot more than I do...but daaamn, I have not seen this guy do anything to impress me to the point where he is worth 2 #1 draft picks and Rose...I mean 2 #1 draft picks are usually given for franchise players or stars, not journeyman.
Whottt, Nazr hasn't put up 20-20 for the Spurs but he has put up such numbers for the Knicks, and more often than Rose has for the Spurs. I don't think you can compare them by the stats as much as everyone has. We'll see how he plays as a Spur. That's when I will pass judgment.
Nazr this year has had games of:
20-15
12-17
18-14
22-15
15-17
22-18
He has 16 double doubles this year.
Malik has had 2 double doubles this year. One against the Lakers and the other agaisnt the Hornets. Both of those doubles were this month (showcasing?).
But none of these stats really mean anything until Nazr gets some time on the floor in silver and black.
That's true...but Malik has never been a regular starter...Rasho and Mohammed have both started many more games than Malik has...Malik has been a bench player his entire career and he plays the same position as Duncan...Malik's numbers are pretty impressive for a guy who has played behind Duncan and Robinson his entire career.
I think I read on their forum that in Malik's Spurs career he has averaged 16 and 9 in starts.
Malik can definitely start in the East and against teams like the Nets, Sixers and Celtics he can pretty dominant, and he has the mentality to be dominant. Him thinking he was Duncan was what got him in trouble here. Remember?
If we didn't have Duncan we probably would have liked that quality about him..and I think that's why the Knicks fans are starting to come around to this trade.
I've pretty much figured out that the reason they aren't sad to see Nazr go is that they need a guy who at least wants to dominate inside and none of their bigs have that mentality...that agressiveness. They think Malik can be someone willing to take on that role for them...and you know what?
I think they are right about that. He will take on that role...in fact that's what he really wants...and that's why I am not sad for Malik.
He's finally going to get his chance to prove if he is a starter...
A lot of us...the same guys spoiled by TD and DRob..actually wanted Malik to start after DRob retired...and I still say, if Malik could block shots he would have been the starter.
Whottt, I guess we are on record in saying that Rose+ 2 #1 draft picks > Nazr, so we will all know if we are right or wrong soon enough.
I hope Nazr plays great and become 6th man of the year next year....then I will have my crow with some rice and green beans on the side.
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