here is what NY fans are saying...

[duncan2k5]

about rose in another forum:

"Lots of people were doubting Rose before but 8 rebounds and 2pts in the 2nd quarter alone seems to show some promise especially since he didn't play in the 1st "

"Yeah, Rose was killing. I didn't realize how good he was. His numbers are very decieving, but then again, he's playing behind Tim Duncan and finds a way to put up decent numbers. Mike Breen said last season, when Rose started due to injuries or things like that, in I think 15 games, he averaged 15 points 8 rebounds, and the season before, 16 points and 9 rebounds. Very good game by him. He hustles and creates many scoring opportunities and he is a great defender! I guess that's what happeneds when you practice against Tim Duncan on a regular basis. Anyway, I like Rose and his defense and overall game, might surprise everyone in this trade might not look so bad afterall for some people."

"Rose looked great out there. Good overall effort by everyone. I don't want to make the playoffs either and especially if we fall short at a run and end up with the 14th pick
Anyway good game and I'm interested to see what Rose does for us in the near future."

"Rose looked very winded but if first impressions mean anything he looks like a nice add to team chemistry"

"if Malik Rose is going to get us 8 rebounds in 9 minutes it is a safe bet he is going to get a lot more minutes. That one basket he scored in the paint, was all will. It gave me chills.

Guys like KT, JYD and Malik are not passive, phone it in types. They show up to play and have some fight in them."

"Rose is having a nice debut I think he is a way better than Sweetney. This is the line-up I would like for the next games:
Marbury
Crawford
Rose
T.Thomas
K.Thomas"

"rose is the workhorse this team needed.... 8 rebounds in not even 9 minutes? that's incredible"

"sweetney better step up his game cause Rose is playing great"

"playoff push!!!!!!!!! Great team play and an overall effort. Go Malik!"

"You guys havent even seen the best of Malik yet. He can dunk, hit the 10-20 foot jumpshot and he will draw charges. "

"Rose's hustle really motivated us. He played great D on Jermaine. "

"With Sweets out quickly due to foul trouble I wish he would have played Malike more minutes. Malik should play around 20 minutes a night as a 6th man. He will always give you 100% all over the floor. NY Fans will appreciate Malik."

"I have to give Isiah Thomas a lot of credit for acquring Malik Rose, I knew he was going to be good, but that guy is a workhorse who knows his way around the paint better than other guys on the team. His rebounding is tremendous, and should expect more of that same play for years to come. In limited minutes, I have to say. 3 Thumbs up!!!"

"Malik Rose is going to be the worst influence possible on Sweetney. He will open a restaurant right next to the garden and Sweetney will be in there night and day asking for free food. He will gorge after ever game there and Rose won't have the heart to tell him to stop. I won't be surprised if I see Sweetney on the bench with a Philly Cheesteak in his mouth." LMAO!!!!!!!

"regardless of his contract, I can see myself liking this guy. He just seems like one of those guys you gotta love."

"When was the last time you saw a Knick that cared about his team that much? Maybe thats why the Spurs win every year and we dont? I hate the Spurs but I have to admit they run a team the right way. I'm amazed at how they keep their team full of good team first guys in todays me first $$$ era."

"8 rebounds in 9 minutes...not too shabby.

I thought I wouldn't like him, but I watched that video where he cried , and saw his hustle tonight, I kind of have to like him."

[whottt]

Yeah....they love him already...although a few of them have the wrong idea about him and are in for a rude awakening.

Some of them think he is going to bring smart play and ball movement on offense to their team...hoo boy.

But yeap....New Yorkers are going to love Malik because he is undersized, but he does let that hold him back and is as tough if not tougher than any player in the NBA and he ALWAYS gives it every thing he can on the court. And if heart was size he'd be bigger than Yao....and that's not just lip service...when you say that about Malik it's the truth.

They're gonna love him in NY as much as SA loved him...probably more, they'll probably be a lot more forgiving of his mistakes because they haven't been spoiled rotten by David Robinson and Tim Duncan.

Malik may be a Texan now...but that game and at ude that he's played with his whole career that we all love, is an East Coast game and at ude...he's one of their own and he's gonna get the keys to that city.

[duncan2k5]

that cheesesteak comment was funny tho. it had me rollin

[alamo50]

Thanks for the post St.Croix!

"That one basket he scored in the paint, was all will. It gave me chills"

[thispego]

Yeah....they love him already...although a few of them have the wrong idea about him and are in for a rude awakening.

Some of them think he is going to bring smart play and ball movement on offense to their team...hoo boy.

But yeap....New Yorkers are going to love Malik because he is undersized, but he does let that hold him back and is as tough if not tougher than any player in the NBA and he ALWAYS gives it every thing he can on the court. And if heart was size he'd be bigger than Yao....and that's not just lip service...when you say that about Malik it's the truth.

They're gonna love him in NY as much as SA loved him...probably more, they'll probably be a lot more forgiving of his mistakes because they haven't been spoiled rotten by David Robinson and Tim Duncan.

Malik may be a Texan now...but that game and at ude that he's played with his whole career that we all love, is an East Coast game and at ude...he's one of their own and he's gonna get the keys to that city.

whottt actually made me laugh???


Those were some great quotes about Malik, thanks for that D2K5
All that after just one game... makes me very optimistic about 'liks future in the league.

[whottt]

LOL Alamo...that basket he scored was his pumpfake under the basket that usually gets put back in his face 3 times in a row...that move is going to work a lot better in the East.

[whottt]

whottt actually made me laugh???


Those were some great quotes about Malik, thanks for that D2K5
All that after just one game... makes me very optimistic about 'liks future in the league.

Whattt that's only the first time I made you laugh?

I think I'm always funny.

[whottt]

Hey St.Croix boy, what forum did you get those quotes from?

I am trying to find some good Knicks forums and I want to find out from some of their savvier fans just what we are going to be getting from Nazr...

I'll be honest...the more I read from them the more it looks like they have let Nazr go without a second thought, and feel they definitely got the better end of this trade just based on Malik alone...and this is followed by disbelief that we actually gave them two draft picks on top of it to take Malik off our hands.

I want to get the scoop from them on what Nazr has to offer us. I am hoping to read some postive things about him from some of their objective posters...They seem to think it's funny that we think of him as a shotblocker.

I have yet to see one Knicks fan or member of the NY media say they don't like what Malik is bringing to their team...the only complaint they have is his contract.

And BTW, I found out something that both pissed me off and got me a little excited...Malik can opt out of his contract after next season. I know Malik would have done that to stay here....I'm hoping he might be willing to do it to come back.

[texbound]

As much as we loved Malik, I have to admit that I think is the best thing for him. He was never going to start in SA, but at least with the Knicks he has a chance to. I say good for him.

[exstatic]

They obviously haven't had a chance to see his dazzling ballhandling or shooting yet.

[whottt]

As much as we loved Malik, I have to admit that I think is the best thing for him. He was never going to start in SA, but at least with the Knicks he has a chance to. I say good for him.

Yeah, I'm not worried about Malik...I'm worried about us.

I'm going to *snap* if I find out we traded Malik for Rasho revisted without the shotblocking.

I like Rasho and Horry and could live with their shortcomings in the hustle department because we had Malik...

I definitely don't like it when I hear Knicks fans saying that Mohammed often lacked intensity...that's going to kill us.

[texbound]

I definitely don't like it when I hear Knicks fans saying that Mohammed often lacked intensity...that's going to kill us.

I here you on that, but I've also heard Knick fans saying that Nazr has been solid for them this year. It's just like with Malik. People said they liked his hustle for the most part, but couldn't stand his decision making during a game. I guess people see what they want to see.

[duncan2k5]

I just typed in "new york knicks forum" on yahoo.com and all the sites i went to were within the first 8 i think. yea they really like him so far and think he is better than sweetney (most of them). they seem to like his pesonality and how it can affect the locker room. they were all commenting on how the new york media was all gushing about him after they bashed Isiah fo rthe trades. i agree whott. they dont seem to take Nazr,s loss as anything big. hopefully Pop can make a player out of him and he doesn'y become Ward: Reloaded

[ShoogarBear]

I was hunting around for some Malik thoughts and saw some of those quotes in the NY Times Knicks forum.

People, like, quote Dante and Yeats in there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I talked to a pro scout last night after the A&M - Tech game. He was short and succinct in giving his take on the trade:

"Isiah Thomas is a ing idiot."

[whottt]

I talked to a pro scout last night after the A&M - Tech game. He was short and succinct in giving his take on the trade:

"Isiah Thomas is a ing idiot."

What would a "smart" scout be doing at an A&M game? I'm skeptical of his opinion.

Was he one of the guys who called Isiah an idiot for drafting Stoudemire over O'Bannon?

[GoldToe]

The NY fans will fall in love with Malik just as SA did.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He was scouting A&M junior Antoine Wright, who is a consensus first round draft pick if he comes out.

I didn't see him but supposedly Lance Blanks was there also.

[ducks]

you know this forum would be praising rose to
if he put up 8 rebounds in 9 minutes of plays
and others would be blasting pop for not playing him more
but when he sucks fans will dislike him to

[whottt]

BTW, I wrote these guys one of my long ass posts breaking down Malik's strengths and weaknesses and these guys actually thanked me for being so thorough...So STFU Marcus...you guys just don't realize how lucky you are.

What the Knicks Fans have to say:


He's a really good offensive rebounder, not that great hands at all, fumbles the ball way too much, commits some silly fouls. But he gets a lot of putbacks seems to be in the right place alot of the times.



hes a decent, but way overhyped shotblocker....he gets lots of garbage baskets, or did anyway in ny, dont expect him to do that with duncan or even rash playing alongside him....hes not a good defender at all....if you play him at the 4, he most likely wont have the athleticism to guard the other teams pf, and could get eaten up by some of the wests centers....in short, he'll prove to be an ok minute eater, but consider yourself in trouble if you face a situation in which he has to play more than 15/20 minutes a game




Nazr should be a great pickup with guys like Parker, Giniobili, and Udrih around him. He thrives off of put packs and offensive boards. But he isnt a defender, or a shotblocker. But he has offense. The one thing I hate about him is hes too nice. U love him for the effort and the will to win, but he lacks the toughness. He can be a solid backup. He can score, and get rebounds, but dont expect much defense from him.




Not the best hand when he get the ball in the low post. Good offensive rebounder, most of his scoring come form putbacks. Nazr shoots a high FG%. For the most part he plays hard and with intensity.




Everything but defense.




I think he will be your starter. He gets rebounds that you would think impossible but also can both the easiest of passes. His role on the Spurs is simple get rebounds. I think he will be a GREAT fir for you.




i think he pulled his weiner and has trouble jumping...



Good garbageman
Needs to dunk to finish around the rim... no touch on layups or hooks
Mediocre defender
Developing post game and fadeaway J
No ballhandling ability
Great on offensive boards, above avg. on defensive glass
Definitely doesn't play as hard as rose . Works on his game, but in actual games he's not the most passionate guy. Not a slacker though.
Shotblocking... not so much. He averaged 1 block a game, but that's as the only center on a team with defensively poor guards. That aspect of his game is one of the reasons we did fall so hard.

You're getting a good rebounder, a developing offensive player, a mediocre to weak defender, and a very solid offensive rebound/garbage bucket type guy.

He also tends to vanish in big games vs. top compe ion, but do well against the centers he should beat. If you play the Raptors, he's a 20/15 guy.




Contrary to reports, he is not a shotblocker by any imagination. He is a solid rebounder, but gets bullied around by stronger forwards. For the most part, he has terrible footwork in the post, but he can hit the baby hook and turnaround jumper. He has stone hands and picks up stupid fouls. Most of his offensive game is putbacks and dunks, but I think he will thrive playing next to players that command the defenses' attention and should get a lot of open looks. Great at ude, great work ethic.





I think Nazr is good pick up for you guys. He can get points in the paint and get offensive rebounds. I actually think you guys should start Nazr with Duncan. Most sport writers and fans predict that he will help you guys win a le.





Now that I think about it, Nazr is weird, he gets beat in the post by most defenders, but yet he does a very good job of guarding Shaq. Go figure. If you guys face the Heat in the Finals, he is actually a pretty good defender on Shaq(as long as he stays out of foul trouble), the last time we played them he did as good of a job on Shaq as I have ever seen a Knick do as of late.




I think Pop will fix Nazi good and turn him into a better basketball player






Naz, is kinda inconsistant. He's a nice player. Solid. But he does get too many fouls (which, off the bench won't matter as much), sometimes he blocks a shot, but mostly he's a rebounder (especially on offence, he's one of the best offensive bounders in the game). He can score. He's better on offense than Defense. He's a very solid, let's say, maybe, average center in the east, below average center in the west, but since you're not counting on him for 35 minutes a night, you'll be happy.

Naz's numbers are kinda scary (throughout his career too).

He had 2 very solid years with atlanta, and one or two poor ones.
He was good last year with NY 9.1 pts. 7.7 rebs, 25 min, on .56% shooting, but that was the first time in his career he shot over 50%.
This year, he started out 12/10, but in Jan he was 9/6 and in Feb he was 7/5 (partly due to inuuries).

I don't remember exactly, but he might have had a poor playoff vs. Jersey. Naz can help you sometimes, and no doubt, he's a very respectible back up center, perhaps, maybe, the best back up center in the league, but he's a touch inconsistant.






I don't think you can say that. He played him twice with us, one game Shaq scored 30+ (of course he didn't guard him ALL the time, although I'm not sure it was a while ago), and the second one he had a very surprisingly good game against Shaq when Shaq scored 16 points (though I think he looked to pass more than usual with the Heat dropping 3s like no one's business, but his percentage wasn't very good regardless). Anyway, here's the scoop, his best attribute is his offensive rebounding, he rebounds better on offense, he's not bad with his defensive rebounding but just not as good. A lot of his offense comes from putbacks and Marbury penetrating and dishing it off to him. However this year especially, he's developed some moves and his jumper is decent, shoots a high percentage (was like 2nd or 3rd in the league at one point). Blocks some shots, but really as I said in the other thread he's not that great at it, all these media people that say that he's a "shotblocker" are on crack. Defense is poor too. However, playing next to Tim, should mask that. So, he's a good fit for you guys.






Yes I agree, Pop will shape his butt into a good defensive player, and it's hard to play against a team with 2 7'ers in the paint, and the real DPOY of this season, Bruce Bowen at the 3. Defensively he'll probably chip in a block..maybe more being paired up with Duncan. His hands are pretty good actually, they aren't made of stone. His defensive rotating needs major work from Pop along with the weakside help. When a player beats one of your guys off the dribble he'll continue to box out his man rather than rotate over.

As everyone else here said he crashes the glass offensively and gets most of his points off putbacks. Dunks alot. The last knock about Nazr is he's pretty inconsistent, imo.





Naz is athletic enough, he just doesn't like to get off his feet on D. With proper coaching (which Lenny wasn't, and which he probably didn't get in Atlanta), he might learn to be a respectible defender.






Actually, in the first game, Nazr was holding his own against Shaq, but like often happens with Nazr, he picked up 2 quick fouls, so after that Shaq abused the rest of our team. However in that 2nd game he stayed out of foul trouble so his defense against Shaq was more noticeable. Also, I remember a few years ago with the Sixers, he really impressed everyone with his defense on Shaq in that 2001 season when Ratliff had gone down with that shoulder injury, which is why Atlanta asked for him in the deal for Mutombo. Also, I remember that last year when we first acquired him, that some Hawks fan or someone had posted some article where Shaq was giving Nazr his props for his defense after the lowly Hawks surprised the Lakers in a game during their championship years.

[E20]

Whottt just got CONSOLODIZED(sp)

[ducks]

You're getting a good rebounder, a developing offensive player, a mediocre to weak defender, and a very solid offensive rebound/garbage bucket type guy.

sounds like a guy that duncan should be able to make teams think he is a great defender

[whottt]

I love what they are saying about him on offense...


To a man they claim he is a great offensive rebounder and garbage man. This is awesome. Every guy that responded said he is a great offensive rebounder. Some of them think he is the best offensive rebounder in the NBA.

They said he won't be a good garbage man alongside Duncan, and Rasho :WTF..but that's no problem if he's not playing with Duncan.

To a nearly man they also claim he is a bad defensive player and shotblocker. None of them think he is any kind of a shotblocker.

But you know...I kinda think he's a bad defender in the same way Rasho was...and Pop has turned Rasho into a good defender.



Some of this stuff sounds pretty good...I think his D will be fine in the Spurs system but I don't get the feeling he's going to be an energy guy.

[timvp]

A lot of people are saying he's not a good defensive player. That's pretty scary. However, it sounds like his offensive rebounding skills are good. That should be a plus. I'm eager to see how Naz fights on the Spurs.

Awesome digging, Whottt.

[slayermin]

People, like, quote Dante and Yeats in there.

Do you mean Keats?

Malik can play given the minutes but the Knicks need him much more than the Spurs do.