Tony Parker: The Franchise Player

[DynastyDynasty]

Please, no stupidity allowed in sequ topics

because Sequ brings enough stupidity whenever he starts one of his pathetic bleats.

[El Jefe]

go to walmart, buy the 2007 championship dvd and get back to me.

I'll go you one better.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html

Playoffs 2007
Tim Duncan played 736 minutes, scored 444 points on 52% shooting with 229 rebounds and 65 assists.

Tony Parker played 750 minutes, scored 415 points on 48% shooting with 67 rebounds and 115 assists.

So Tim scored more points with a higher FG% in fewer minutes. He did this while also dominating the paint, cleaning up the boards, and anchoring the defense.

Again, I value Tony as a player. I like him, and I think he improves the team. I just don't see how you declare him the best player on the team.

(In truth, the entire argument is a bit silly, and I imagine Tim and Tony themselves would be mortified that we are even having it. It doesn't matter who the best player is, it matters who the best team is. I just can't stand it when people get all excited by the flashy guard and give no credit to the big man down low doing all the dirty work)

[peskypesky]

Tony Parker is a 3 time allstar.

Tony Parker is a 3 time NBA Champion.

Tony Parker is a Finals MVP.

Tony Parker is the best point guard in the NBA.

Tony Paker just led this team tonight without Duncan and Ginobili.

Dude, I can't help you if you don't get it.

I think it's pretty clear that you're the one who doesn't get it. No matter how hard you pray & hug your Tony Parker doll at night, he's not going to be considered a franchise player.

[Dalamar_the_Dark]

I think Parker is a very good player. I think he played an amazing game tonight, and I think he has more amazing games to come.

However....

One nice regular season win over what can only be described as a disoriented Mavericks team does not outweigh everything we have learned from 50 years of history.

Big man = franchise player

Point Guard = Complimentary player to the big man

Name for me all of the championship teams of the past 25 years where the point guard was the best player. I think an argument can be made for Detroit (Isaiah Thomas)..... and that's about it. I imagine even that point could be debated.

The Spurs are better for having Tony Parker, but Tim Duncan is the reason they play for championships every year.

Sorry but franchise played does not need to be a big man. Let me name a few and see if you even recognize them. They may just happen to be point guards as well.

MICHAEL JORDAN
MAGIC JOHNSON
Steve Nash
Clyde Drexler
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant

Just to name a few.

But having said that, Parker is not your franchise player. He is a very, very good player but not someone you build a championship winning franchise around.

Duncan is your franchise player. He just makes everyone better and finds a way to win CONSISTENTLY with scrubs.

[TDMVPDPOY]

best pg in the league? lol you dont call out other pgs in the league and dont back that up when you go h2h with them, and post up big numbers in the next game against a scrub pg to avg out ur stats for the week.....

[spursfan09]

Heaven forbid Tony Parker is appreciated by a Spur fan. I still don't get how fans can want the Spurs to do so good, but want Tony Parker to do so bad. He is your pg now, and he will be your pg in the future. Franchise player or not, Spurs are going to want to build around him when Manu and Tim retire.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Heaven forbid Tony Parker is appreciated by a Spur fan. I still don't get how fans can want the Spurs to do so good, but want Tony Parker to do so bad. He is your pg now, and he will be your pg in the future. Franchise player or not, Spurs are going to want to build around him when Manu and Tim retire.

his a top3 pg imo you can rearrange it any order you want between him/deron/cp3....

[SequSpur]

Umm...you bring up the fact that they are 9-8 w/o Manu, but ignore the fact that they are better off not playing Tony when Manu is out? Posting his stats wont cover that fact up lol.

i didn't post 9-8 stevie wonder...

also, I didn't post stats, I posted facts.

go away.

[SequSpur]

I think it's pretty clear that you're the one who doesn't get it. No matter how hard you pray & hug your Tony Parker doll at night, he's not going to be considered a franchise player.

check the scoreboard.....

[El Jefe]

Sorry but franchise played does not need to be a big man. Let me name a few and see if you even recognize them. They may just happen to be point guards as well.

MICHAEL JORDAN
MAGIC JOHNSON
Steve Nash
Clyde Drexler
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant

Just to name a few.

But having said that, Parker is not your franchise player. He is a very, very good player but not someone you build a championship winning franchise around.

Duncan is your franchise player. He just makes everyone better and finds a way to win CONSISTENTLY with scrubs.

Thank you. You list some very talented players. It is very much a list I expected to see as a counterpoint to my argument. First I would like to note that I said a list of point guards, and on your list there are only two. Steve Nash (who may well be the very embodiment of this point. As the best player on his team, he constantly butted up against and lost to a team with a dominant big man) and Magic Johnson. Magic is pretty much the exception that proves the rule, as a 6'9" PG I think we can agree that he was a statistical outlier, one we're not likely to see again anytime soon.

The rest of your list are shooting guards, and while they can come much closer to carrying a team the a championship (and some have) I still would include a few caveats with the rest of your list.



Clyde Drexler Talented player. Won nothing of consequence until playing a supporting role to Hakeem Olajuwon.

Kobe Bryant Shaquille O'neal. Enough said. If the Lakers win this year, I'll be willing to change my assessment......of Pau Gasol.

Dwyane Wade An example of a guard who carried his team to the le. His team had a terrible record all year, they came together at just the right time, won the le, and have been fairly terrible since. Wade is a very very good player, there is no denying this. But I feel safe in saying he isn't going to carry his team to multiple championships anytime soon.

I won't even play the Shaq card and try to claim him as the dominating big man, but I will point out this team featured a rotaion of Shaq, Zo Mourning (they were better in the Finals with Zo on the floor than Shaq, in my opinion) and a very underrated Udonis Haslem. If as a shooting guard you're going to carry a team to a le, this is the kind of front line you HAVE to have.

Michael Jordan: Put it to you this way, if you're going to dominate the league from the shooting guard spot and win multiple les, you better be Michael Freaking Jordan. The everlasting quest to declare someone "The Next Jordan" has already diminished just how much better he was than everybody else. The man was just a freak, and by every statistical measure was light years better than any guard who has played before or since. With that said, even he floundered for several years before going on his run of les. It can also be stated that he never won a le with either a Horace Grant (another wildly underrated player) or a Dennis Rodman cleaning the glass and protecting the paint. (Don't ask me about Luc Longley, I have no explanation there)

I'm still feeling pretty comfortable with my rule: If your PG is your best player, you are in trouble. I might have to include "and not named Magic"

Maybe a height limit? "If your best player is under 6'6"....."

[Mr Bones]

Threads like this really detract from spurstalk.

[ehz33satx]

I know I am right, but you still have to park up front you re .

And you can't get on the adult rides at Fiesta Texas. WGAF!

[SequSpur]

Threads like this really detract from spurstalk.

why? did you miss your mysa.com articles? buy a got damn newspaper on your way to work.

[SequSpur]

And you can't get on the adult rides at Fiesta Texas. WGAF!

you need help.

[ehz33satx]

you need help.

I need help? Coming from you, that means not very much, my little friend.

[SequSpur]

I need help? Coming from you, that means not very much, my little friend.

[ehz33satx]

Look at your OP and tell me again that it is I that need help. But I know your game little man. You love to rile people up. Your a rowdy little bas on the internet. In real life, your not much.

[spursfan09]

his a top3 pg imo you can rearrange it any order you want between him/deron/cp3....

I can agree with that. I also see alot of the young point guards bringing it at Tony Parker because of who he is and what he's done in the league. Kind of like the way TP was vs. Payton. Just made him look really slow and old in 02 series first round.

[milkyway21]

this team almost won in DEnver w/ no TD,TP, & Manu.

team effort.

BTW, and the Mavs had no Stackshouse and Terry too.

[cp3forever]

his a top3 pg imo you can rearrange it any order you want between him/deron/cp3....

any order? LMAO, not even close compared to the other two.

[WalterBenitez]

When TD, Manu were out and retired, TOny Parker will lead this team period, he is young, skilled.

[roycrikside]

name one big win manu won without duncan and tp?
spurs are 9-8 without manu this year now

They beat the Jazz last year without TP and Tim.

[urunobili]

he was on pace for a 60 pts game and Pop benched him.. he got tired and ended up shooting less than 50% from the floor less than his season average... ... Manu tor the Mavs up for 37 last time with WAY less shots than this...

I loved this Game by TP, he showed he is the man and leader of this team and was the main responsible for the win... but i have seen MUCH better than this from him...

[Brazil]

Sequ is simply the best, he is always right.

[ducks]

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