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of course.Face it, some people need the ball in their hands to get comfortable out there
It CANT be brent barry's fault.
It HAS to be Pop's fault.
How stupid of us to put blame on the player.
We thought he'd be a good fit for our system... he's not. He is a player that should thrive in extended minutes such as today...
Beno is a good fit in our rotation. Reward him.
of course.Face it, some people need the ball in their hands to get comfortable out there
It CANT be brent barry's fault.
It HAS to be Pop's fault.
How stupid of us to put blame on the player.
Tpark, quit bring the take to the discussion.
I guess you've never played hoops before. Some guys are just stone cold shooters. They walk on the court hitting them from 3-4 feet behind the line.
Other guys need a couple of shots to get warm.
Some guys just need the feeling of the rock in their hands to get warm. Barry is one of those people.
Who said I'm blaming it on Pop? I'm just saying Barry needs the ball in his hands to be effective.
man, quit posting from your ass and do a little reading comprehension.
How can you say that? I've never thought that I would defend Hedo but at this point last season we were getting more from Hedo than we do from Barry this year.
When Hedo was let go I was happy and even happier when we acquired Barry. Now I don't really know why. I'm an optimist so I still hope he'll prove me wrong - please prove me wrong!
If a player can't fit in the system, tough . I played basketball and would make the most of any opportunity when I was in the game. Some guys thrive under pressure (such as the pressure that comes on playing in the best team in the league).
Obviously Hedo and Barry would rather rack up stats on ty teams.
maybe aggie is finally seeing the light of Barry stinking and it NOT being Pop's fault for once.
Amazing.
Pop has given Barry every opportunity to thrive. He has even taken away minutes from Beno in the last few weeks to give Barry (and Brown) the opportunity to get into a flow and rhythm. Nothing seems to help. Barry often seems confused on both ends of the floor even when he plays for long stretches at a time. I'm not sure how much more Pop can do to help this guy along in the system. There's a time when a player just needs to sack up on their own. "Getting acclimated with the system", "getting used to come off the bench", "getting comfortable with teammates", "finding your role" ... those are phrases for pre-All-Star break. The Spurs have 20-odd games left. Even if Barry doesn't have his stroke (and there is no reason why he shouldn't), he also lost his "high basketball IQ" and just about everything else. Sack up or ride the pine and come in for spot minutes. I didn't want a $5M/year player for spot minutes for four years. But it seems that's what the Spurs have.
Hopefully Devin finds some consistency offensively. At least he always tries on D.
^^^^ BADA IN BING
Bang on post Kori
Ive been saying this about Brent Barry all freakin year and he STILL aint changed.
FOlks, remember back in Novemeber when you say,
"well, lets worry in March and april if hes still playing like this"
Well, its march, time to worry.
Barry needs to grow a in pair and start making some goddamn shots.
How come everyone says Barry is shooting so badly? Playing so badly?
His numbers are better than Stephen Jackson's were.
No, they, are , not.
Barry had a good January -- that's why his stats are what they are.
Since the A-S break he's averaging 4 ppg on 33% FG, 24% 3pt FG. He passes up open shots. He gets lost on defense. And doesn't do much of anything. I just want him to do something ... anything.
Last season, Hedo had a stellar January too, but come playoff time, he was no where to be found.
At least Hedo could use his 6-10 frame to get in position and guard some of the bigger wing players.
As for Stephen Jackson, his %'s aren't awesome but he wasn't afraid to shoot and had a killer instinct.
^^ Word again.
Kori, how many times this year have I said this year I wish Barry would stop passing up those goddamn open shots.
He shoots bad guarded shots, but passes up wide open ones.
ITS HORRIBLE!!!!
Barry needs to get his goddamn head in the game.
Im extremely dissapointed in Brent Barry.
Brent Barry this year:
Stephen Jackson 2002-2003:Code:SEASON STATS: PER GAME | TOTAL | PER 48 MINUTES REBOUNDS YEAR G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 2004-2005 60 2 19.5 2.1-5.1 .418 1.2-3.3 .352 1.2-1.4 .802 0.48 0.3 0.7 1.4 0.3 1.7 2.0 2.0 6.6
Stephen Jackson was a starter and Brent Barry is coming off the bench.Code:CAREER AVERAGES REBOUNDS YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF DQ OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 02-03 Sas 80 58 28.2 4.5-10.2 .435 1.2-3.7 .320 1.7-2.3 .760 1.6 0.4 2.2 2.5 0.0 0.8 2.8 3.6 2.3 11.8
Brent Barry is shooting better than Stephen Jackson did the year we won the le. You can't refute it.
Yes he's shooting a higher percentage from 3 than Stephen Jackson did that season. Like I said, Barry's % is somewhat due to the fact he shot 50% from 3 in January.
I decided before the season started that I would give Barry a lot of time to adjust to our system. Going to a new team and comming off the bench for the first time in a long time is tough for players. But heīs gotten enough time to produce and he hasenīt done that this season. Like Kori said, Barry had a nice January but thatīs not going to help us in the playoffs. We need his outside shooting.
I havenīt given up on him and I know Pop hasnīt too. But he needs to start making those threeīs. 1-5 isnīt going to cut it. He still has 20 games or so to get himself into playoff form and start playing better.
Stephen Jackson shot 245% or worse from 3 in December, January and March the year we won the le. He also made a lot more turnovers than Barry does and only pulled down 1 more board per game playing nearly 10 minutes more.
You mean like key our fast break like he was doing at the beginning of the season? I don't think that was enough to keep him on the court.He passes up open shots. He gets lost on defense. And doesn't do much of anything. I just want him to do something ... anything.
Hedo didn't take a pay cut to come here. All Hedo wanted was to get paid. That was why he wanted to start.Last season, Hedo had a stellar January too, but come playoff time, he was no where to be found.
And did that do us any good against the Lakers?At least Hedo could use his 6-10 frame to get in position and guard some of the bigger wing players.
Brent Barry didn't used to be afraid to shoot. He just doesn't like taking bad shots. All he is doing is shooting threes. I think that's hurt his game.As for Stephen Jackson, his %'s aren't awesome but he wasn't afraid to shoot and had a killer instinct.
That's just my opinion though.
I don't think I like the direction this team is starting to take. Devin did have a good playoffs last year, but he was not a priority to the Lakers. It's very similar to the way Antonio Daniels was excellent one year we played the Lakers and then the next year they shut him down.
I just hope that when we need a shooter in the playoffs, Devin Brown and Beno Udrih will be able to do that for us.
He's struggled as of late but overall, I like Barry. I bet he is a great guy to have in the locker room to keep it loose.
The way I see it, he was brought to SA as the hired gun. He is 40% from three for his career. He is due for a hot streak which he is very capable of starting at anytime. I just don't want to miss it.
He has passed up some open shots lately. That I do not like. I can overlook all of his deficiencies in his overall game, as long as he doesn't pass up an open look. Otherwise, he is Hedo with no defense or rebounding.
Then maybe he should try to modify the system however possible to complement Barry's game instead of vice-versa. Look, I'm not saying Pop is completely at fault here but some of the evidence I brought up earlier can't be ignored.
Barry, Hedo, Daniels, Ward. Why don't their games translate under Pop and why is the difference so stark under a different coach/system? It can't all be on the player can it?
I haven't given up on Barry. He didn't have great game against the Suns this time, but was a big reason they beat them last time. I don't think you can compare SJax numbers from '03 to Barry's because SJax was already on the team for a year and was getting more mpg. I would give the Spurs a high overall grade for their performance against the Suns last night. They almost won the game @ Phoenix without Dunca or Gino. I know Pop would say he expects them to win, but I'm sure he was at least somewhat pleased with their effort. Hopefully, Barry will contribute more, if not in small spot minutes.
Let Barry start a couple a games WITH TD
and lets see what happens
"Bring Manu Off The Bench II"?
You're gonna get roasted.
NO bring BOWEN off the bench
"Bring Manu Off The Bench II"?
You're gonna get roasted.
why, its a championship system thats proven before to win when players make shots within it.Then maybe he should try to modify the system
Stop making excuses for barry for christ sake.
ITs the system holy .
Thats his excuse for passing open shots, and missing shots?
Give. Me. A. ING BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!
TD gives Barry confidence, thats why he missed EVERY DAMN SHOT!!!!!!!!!!
*just trying to make an excuse fro Barry*
Now who wishes we could've gotten SJackson back, who new the spurs system and was clutch, instead of Barry?
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