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    Yes, they are unhappy. I personally know 3 cops, 1 being a detective (none too personal though). The patrolmen do not enjoy writing frivolous tickets. Which leads me to my next point....
    what kind of frivolous tickets do they write on a regular basis that makes them unhappy?

    ...youre right. There are no set quotas, to be sure. But dont think for one ing second they dont have the meetings every week about budget shortfalls, personnel loss, etc. Or that in those same meetings they dont go right from talking about the budget to new speed trap zones and extra vigilance in traffic offenses here-here-and-here on the map.
    there are lots of different scenarios in different cities, towns and states around the country.

    To assume that all officers in all towns get pressured into writing more tickets because they might lose their job is ignorant...

    ...especially when there is no quota.

    Its obvious to everyone but the guy who requires a written do ent stating quota goals that the seargents and lieutenants are looking for increases in tickets written.

    Its not that difficult to pick up on innuendo.
    if that's the case, then why do they still issue warnings?

    Why was one of the posters above bragging about how he just got out of a ticket doing 60 in a 45?

    Well, seeing as I dont much give a what he thinks, nor you since you obviously feel the same way and think you know exactly what this particular officer was thinking at the time he left my house.

    Since youre so damn clairvoyant, tell me Miss Cleo, hows he doing on my case? And should I expect to see him at the softball tournament this spring?
    You're the one that knows 3 cops, 1 being a detective. Why the are you asking me how your case is going?

    Dumbass. You dont know your ass from you elbow, genius.
    Link? Or is this another of your sweeping generalizations?

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    OK, fair enough.

    I'll only speak for the Metro Detroit Area.

    Grim economic conditions are forcing some communities to rely on traffic cops to increase revenue by writing more tickets, police and elected officials say.

    "When I first started in this job 30 years ago, police work was never about revenue enhancement," Utica Police Chief Michael Reaves said. "But if you're a chief now, you have to look at whether your department produces revenues. That's just the reality nowadays."

    A Detroit News analysis of court and police records from 2002-07 shows many Metro Detroit police departments have drastically increased the number of moving violations issued in what some people say is an effort to offset budget shortfalls caused by the sluggish economy.

    Michigan has cut revenue sharing to communities by $3 billion over the past six budget years, a blow that's been exacerbated by skyrocketing costs and dwindling property values. Taylor Mayor Cameron Priebe, whose community has lost more than $10 million in state revenue sharing the past six years, says the tough conditions have caused city officials to turn to the Police Department for income.

    "A portion of the tickets our officers write helps pay their salaries, but the rest is profit for the city," said Priebe, a former Taylor police officer. "'Profit' may not be the right word to use in government, but that's pretty much what it is.

    "Obviously, revenue isn't the only reason our officers are out there -- but I wouldn't be telling the truth if I said it wasn't a consideration."
    Drop-off seen in some areas

    But in several communities in Metro Detroit -- which last year was named by the National Motorists Association as the worst metro area in the United States for speed traps -- the ticket increases have been extreme.

    In 18 communities, the number of moving violations written has jumped by 50 percent or more over the past six years, and 11 of those municipalities have had increases of 90 percent or higher during that time.
    Officer gains notoriety

    Warren Officer David Kanapsky came under national media scrutiny recently when it was revealed he had written about 5,000 traffic tickets in 2007. Kanapsky, whose prolific ticket writing was highlighted in July on ABC's 20/20, accounted for nearly 10 percent of the city's ticket writing last year, when there were 54,100 tickets handed out in Warren -- a 20 percent increase over the 44,809 tickets written in 2002.

    But Warren is hardly alone:

    • In Romulus, there were 12,040 tickets written last year, which represented a 136 percent jump from the 5,091 violations written in 2002.

    • The number of violations in Plymouth rose from 440 in 2002 to 2,584 in 2007, a 487 percent jump.

    • In Detroit, there were 126,007 traffic tickets written in 2002, and 245,249 written in 2007.

    • Southfield police wrote 13,724 tickets in 2002; in 2007 they wrote 31,795 tickets for an increase of 131 percent.

    The population has increased in many Metro Detroit suburbs in recent years, which could explain the higher number of traffic tickets.

    But there have been huge increases even in communities that have been largely built out for years. For instance, Dearborn Heights had a 60 percent jump in tickets written from 2002-07, while Livonia had a 49 percent jump.
    Most money stays local

    Most of the revenue from tickets written by State Police and county sheriffs goes into a state fund that's distributed to libraries across Michigan. But a huge portion of the money from tickets issued by most municipal police departments, determined by a complex formula, stays in those communities.

    Municipalities must send $40 of each fine to the Michigan Justice Training Fund, which helps cover police training costs. The percentage of ticket revenue that communities may keep after that depends on the class of its district court, although most Metro Detroit communities keep all the money that's left over after the $40 assessment.

    "When elected officials say, 'We need more money,' they can't look to the department of public works to raise revenues, so where do they find it? Police departments," said James Tagnanelli, president of the Police Officers Association of Michigan union.
    Some dispute premise

    While some police officials say there is more pressure to increase revenue, others say it's not true. Livonia Police Chief Robert Stevenson insists he has never been pressured by city officials to write more tickets.

    Stevenson pointed out that traffic accidents have dropped 33 percent since 2003, the year he ins uted a program of increased traffic enforcement.

    "In Livonia, we average less than one homicide a year, but we have 14 or 15 people killed on our roads," Stevenson said. "Most homicides take place behind closed doors, so there's not much the police can do about them, anyway. If you truly want to make a difference, you need to put your resources into traffic patrols."

    Still, Tagnanelli said he's hearing more complaints than ever from officers statewide who say they're being forced to issue more moving violations.

    "Is there more pressure being applied to write tickets? Of course there is," Tagnanelli said. "I'm hearing that all the time now from officers. It's gotten much worse over the past five-six years."
    Tickets upset drivers

    Critics say the crackdown on motorists causes a rift between citizens and the police, and ties up officers who should be concentrating on preventing crime.

    "It's getting ridiculous," said Jack Walker, a former Clarkston resident who was given two speeding tickets within a few weeks of each other last year in Orion Township.

    "Police are using us as their fundraiser, and it's not right. They have more important things to do."

    Trenton Police Sgt. Richard Lyons agreed.

    "The people we count on to support us and help us when we're on the road are the ones who end up paying the bills, and they're ticked off about it," Lyons said.

    "We might was well just go door-to-door and tell people, 'Slide us $100 now, since your 16-year-old is going to end up paying us anyway when he starts driving.' You can't blame people for getting upset.

    "No politician wants to be the one to raise taxes, but if the community needs more money they should go ahead and raise taxes," Lyons said.

    "At least that's more honorable than chasing down cars for doing five miles over the speed limit."

    Said Reaves: "If someone is blowing through a subdivision doing 70 mph while children are playing, nobody is going to complain about the police giving that guy a ticket.

    "There obviously is a need to patrol the roads -- it's just a matter of allowing your officers to use their judgment, rather than having them write tickets for every single violation."
    Its a December 2008 article from the Detroit News that is no longer available online, so I cant provide a link. I found the article I was looking linked in blog/whatever.

    I had read the same article the day it was published.

    http://www.novi.org/Opinions/2008-12-03.htm

    FYI, Novi is a suburb of Detroit.

    Happy now?

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    I got a ing ticket for going 1 mile over the speed limit 46 in a 45 ROFL

    At first i thought the cop was joking considering the increments aren't even

    that detailed but i guess the state is really desperate for money. I have to goto

    court on the 1st of next month i wonder what I'm going to say
    Don't tell me, let me guess. You were in Windcrest ?

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    "Obviously, revenue isn't the only reason our officers are out there -- but I wouldn't be telling the truth if I said it wasn't a consideration."
    Thus, the hard to pick up on innuendo, apparently.

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    "Is there more pressure being applied to write tickets? Of course there is," Tagnanelli said. "I'm hearing that all the time now from officers. It's gotten much worse over the past five-six years."
    -James Tagnanelli, president of the Police Officers Association of Michigan union
    More incredibly hard to believe innuendo, Im sure.

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    OK, fair enough.

    I'll only speak for the Metro Detroit Area.



    Its a December 2008 article from the Detroit News that is no longer available online, so I cant provide a link. I found the article I was looking linked in blog/whatever.

    I had read the same article the day it was published.

    http://www.novi.org/Opinions/2008-12-03.htm

    FYI, Novi is a suburb of Detroit.

    Happy now?
    yeah, that's much better.

    Inconsistencies and unfairness always suck, but at the end of the day, if you are driving under the speed limit and obeying all traffic laws, then you have nothing to worry about.

    it's like the guy going 80 complaining about being pulled over when he got passed by another guy doing 90 that didnt get caught.

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    yeah, that's much better.

    Inconsistencies and unfairness always suck, but at the end of the day, if you are driving under the speed limit and obeying all traffic laws, then you have nothing to worry about.

    it's like the guy going 80 complaining about being pulled over when he got passed by another guy doing 90 that didnt get caught.
    "Hey, yesterday the speed limit on this road was 50. Why is it 25 now?"

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    "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

    "Presumably for speeding, but I'm sure I got down from 70 to 30 before I went past that tiny sign you put up."

    "No, you weren't speeding, but dropping 40 mph that quickly is unsafe driving."

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    "You can't change lanes within 100 feet of an intersection."

    "I had to change lanes. There are orange cones blocking the left one."

    "Tell it to the judge, lady."

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    They can always, always get you if they want to.

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    If they are writing that many tickets, they do not have the time to show up to court to testify.

    Call them on their bluff, declare yourself not guilty and ask for a jury trial.

    Personally, if I had nothing better to do with my life, I would start a grassroots "ask for a trial" movement in places with ty speed traps like that.

    If majority or even significant minority of people who were given those tickets asked for a jury trial, there is no way in that you can find that many retirees and housewives to sit on even a pe (6 person) jury.

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    Pay for a billboard opposite the courthouse saying "this city doesn't have the jurors to take everybody to trial for every speeding ticket who asks for one."

    Personally I have always referred to speeding tickets as "speeding tax levies".

    That is essentially what they are. May as well just formalize it. Put a meter on your speedometer. Drive as fast as you want, but for every mph over the speed limit you drive, you will pay X cents per mile, and that rate goes up the faster you go, with the sole exception being school zones, where you will be taken from your car and beaten on the spot for anything over 4 mph.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 03-23-2009 at 03:15 PM.

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    ...with the sole exception being school zones, where you will be taken from your car and beaten on the spot for anything over 4 mph.

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    Personally I have always referred to speeding tickets as "speeding tax levies".

    That is essentially what they are. May as well just formalize it.
    the difference being is that the more tickets you get, the more that your fines will increase and can eventually end in getting your license suspended....

    but point taken

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