Who goes and who stays?

[dbreiden83080]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker

4 posts in and you need to be banned. Duncan is never getting traded and buiding around Tony will never mean a le. He's a good player, he's never going to be an all time great, leading teams to les..

[rayray2k8]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker

You shouldn't even bother posting here anymore after making that comment.
Oh, and change your avatar you stupid bas .
21 will retire a spur.

[dbreiden83080]

You shouldn't even bother posting here anymore after making that comment.
Oh, and change your avatar you stupid bas .
21 will retire a spur.

+1

Short of Timmy turning on MGT and calling them out in public, Timmy is never going anywhere....

[SouthTexasRancher]

Hill (if pops dumbass will play him)

Pop won't play Hill because Pop still has a man-crush on Finley and Vaughn.

[Jace]

The only two who cannot be traded are Duncan or Parker..but I think trading Duncan might be acceptable. If the Spurs FO decide that they won't be able to rebuild into a le contender for a few years then I'd prefer they trade Tim to a good team, get good value for him and give him a chance to get a few more rings.

[loveforthegame]

Vaughn, Udoka, and Oberto should not be back for any reason.

Bonner, Thomas, and Bowen need to be upgraded if possible.

Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Finley, Hill, Mason are staying.

Gooden and Mahinmi are the only real question marks.

[SouthTexasRancher]

The only two who cannot be traded are Duncan or Parker..but I think trading Duncan might be acceptable. If the Spurs FO decide that they won't be able to rebuild into a le contender for a few years then I'd prefer they trade Tim to a good team, get good value for him and give him a chance to get a few more rings.

Say what??? Tim retires a Spur...no if's, and's or but's!!!

[sammy]

Keep:

Timmy
Manu
Parker
Gooden
Mason
Hill
Bowen

Limited Role:
KT (or retire)
Udoka

Get Rid of:
Finley
Bonner
Oberto (Retire)
Vaughn

Need to get a big to help Duncan as well as a backup PG if Pop is not going to utilise Hill. We definitely need someone to help the big three! So much on their shoulders and no help at all! Maybe we can get Rasheed in the off season, we will see!

[Texas_Ranger]

Duncan
Wallace
Finley - if he's back, he'll be starting...lets just hope he'll not play for 30 minutes
Mason
Parker

Gooden
Mahinmi
Thomas
Gist
Bowen
Ginobili
Hill

Bonner
Udoka
draft pick

Goodbye to Vaughn and Oberto

[superbigtime]

Untouchable:

Tony Parker - definitely in his prime. Is a top 10-15 NBA player and a top 3 PG

Duncan - for obvious reasons

For the right offer (ie. youth, length and athleticism) I'd part with:

Manu - He likely has more value as a Spur than what he will bring back in return.

Mason - He was a great pick up but his defense is sub par. I'm indifferent
with regards to him

Hill - Has definite upside but will likely never reach that potential under Popovich

Keep in a reduced role:

Bowen - still a sound defender

Thomas -see Bowen

Finley - can be effective in spot minutes IMO

Players I never want to see in a Spurs uniform again:

Gooden - he will never be able to play Spurs defense

Udoka - he's just terrible and never developed into the Bowen replacement we anticipated

Oberto - old, basically a non factor at this point

Bonner - soft, I cringe seeing him start beside Duncan. Would be a decent role player as a 9th-12th man on the bench.

Vaughn - Yes he is a great guy to have on the bench and in the locker room, but as long as he is on that bench Pop will be tempted to play him.

Mason and Hill have lost a ton of trade value since mid season when they were much more coveted. Mason's defense and poor ball handling abilities as backup PG have been exposed and GH has nowhere near the aura he had the first two months of the season. And bonner also had the highest trade value he ever will half this midseason. If Gooden can be had on the cheap, he should be signed IMO.

[TheSpursFNRule]

There should be no less than 3 open roster spots for next season. Possibly four. If it were up to me, Vaughn, Oberto, Bowen and Udoka would be gone. With Finley and KT getting one last year.

As far as who stays, Parker, Tim, Manu, Mason, Hill, Ian, Bonner, and Gist get roster spots. Williams and Hairston compete for a spot, though I would save 2 open spots for them just the same. I'd resign Gooden to a very reasonable contract, then fill in the gaps via free agency. First, I'd make a run at either Trevor Ariza or Luc Richard Bah' Amoute, SF from the Bucks, as replacement SFs.

I agree with most everything you say and I find you a knowledgeable source on this board. Do you feel that the spurs could sign Rasheed Wallace this off-season? I ask because you didn't mention his name. I agree Ariza would be a good fit but LA will clock block it. And the guy from the bucks wouldn't be enough. If we could Keep Manu and get Sheed it would be perfect. Than maybe get lucky and get Matt Barnes. But do you feel Sheed has a legit chance of going to the Spurs?

[dbreiden83080]

The only two who cannot be traded are Duncan or Parker..but I think trading Duncan might be acceptable. If the Spurs FO decide that they won't be able to rebuild into a le contender for a few years then I'd prefer they trade Tim to a good team, get good value for him and give him a chance to get a few more rings.

What are you going to get for Duncan that equals what he brings when he is healthy?? The Bottom line is, nobody is guaranteed a le in this league, all you can ask for is to be in the mix for one. If Duncan is somewhat healthy, Tony does his thing, Manu can be remotely what he was in the past, add a few pieces, Spurs will have a shot to win it all next year. Duncan is almost 33 not 43, and he will retire a Spur, barring something insane happening..

[phxspurfan]

Please ship Udoka, let Finley retire, let Oberto walk, and sign Gooden or Sheed. Develop Hill and Hairston (if he's still signable later) and call it a summer.

[timtonymanu]

Untouchable:
Tim - he's gonna retire a Spur just like D-Rob.
Tony - He's only going to get better
Manu - he's still valuable even if his injured
Mason - we need his scoring for the future.
Hill - hopefully Pop develops him more next year
Gooden - a great pickup for the Spurs.
Thomas and Bowen - both are old, but still are very valuable to the Spurs

Can go:
Bonner - i hope he goes. i dont care if he can shoot 3's, he's a liability alot of times.
Vaughn - useless to the team... just become an assistant coach
Udoka - hasnt done alot this year.
Wiliams - i rather see Hairston over him.

Maybe:
Mahinmi - im more towards him staying cause he's special.
Finley - i only want him to leave to get rid of Pop's mancrush, but he's been valuable this year.
Oberto - he's great for our team, but i dont know if his health is good.

Bring back Hairston, sign Gist, try to land Ariza and we're good.

[man on wire]

talking about trades before your team enters the playoffs is beyond lame.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm going to respond to some posts in this thread later when I'm sober...

...but why so many people saying KT in a reduced role? KT has been our second best player since the ASB. He's great next to Tim, a poor-man's Horry without the 3 (although his mid and long 2s are falling nicely most of the time). I think he should play 20-24mins a game, as long as it doesn't wear him down.

[Josepatches_]

trading Tony Parker would be one of the worst moves in NBA history..

All depend who you can get for him

Not a bad move if we can get Dwight Howard for him

But with Tp or without him we need a young big man to built around him our future so going to the draft or to make big trades are the only ways to get one.

[Purple & Gold]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker

@ people not getting this one

[Purple & Gold]

Everybody but Parker and Duncan should be out. Maybe keep Mason or Hill depends what u can get for them.

[crc21209]

Keep: TD, TP, Manu, Mason, Hill, Gooden, Thomas (1 more yr), and Bowen (depending on how he does.)

Gone: Vaughn, Udoka, Oberto, Bonner, and Fin.

Bring em to Training Camp, see how they do: Hairston, Mahinmi, Williams, and Gist.

[TheSpursFNRule]

trading Tony Parker would be one of the worst moves in NBA history..

there's 3 ways this off-season can go..use the MLE and rely on the young guys, or use the MLE, trade Manu, and rely on the young guys..or possibly just stay cheap and keep a similar roster..it can really go either way, although Manu being traded would be strange..there's also the possibility of packing our expiring contracts next year to a team that wants the cap space..so Thomas/Bonner/Mason to give another team cap space..

candidates to sign if we only want 1 player IMO: 'Sheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Drew Gooden..

we can go a different path, and sign multiple lesser known players, but I wouldn't prefer that..

Parker/Hill is guaranteed at PG..

Manu/Mason is questionable at SG..both guys have a chance of being traded, it can go both ways..

Finley is the only guarantee at SF, since Pop likes seeing his ass in shorts..??? for the depth..hopefully Gist comes over, and hopefully Hairston gets a shot..otherwise, maybe somebody like Rodney Carney or Matt Barnes..otherwise, we'll have to acquire a SF through a trade, which is possible as well..

for our big men..

Duncan is obviously a lock..everything else is questionable..Ian will depend on how he looks in the summer, Kurt and Bonner could be packaged in a trade..the MLE could very well be used on Gooden, Wallace, or Dice..

it should be an interesting off-season..our young guys are good options for potential role players..and the contracts of Manu/Thomas/Mason/Bonner give us flexibility to make trades with teams looking to shed cap space..

it will also depend on ownership of course..

This is a very good post. I hope they go the route of using the MLE on Sheed or Dice, both have some left in the tank and would run with TD especially Sheed. The Spurs lack of a wing player could be solved with either Malik Hairston, our 2nd round draft pick(maybe a guy like Wayne Ellington falls back?) or just keep it with Finley ugh. Either way the MLE should be used on Sheed. He wants to play with us and I would have no problem letting Gooden loose.

[crc21209]

This is a very good post. I hope they go the route of using the MLE on Sheed or Dice, both have some left in the tank and would run with TD especially Sheed. The Spurs lack of a wing player could be solved with either Malik Hairston, our 2nd round draft pick(maybe a guy like Wayne Ellington falls back?) or just keep it with Finley ugh. Either way the MLE should be used on Sheed. He wants to play with us and I would have no problem letting Gooden loose.

A front-line next year of TD, Thomas, Gooden and either Dice or Sheed would look pretty damn good. Bye bye Bonner!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Players who need to go:

Finley - He doesn't give our team any edge. He's just a safety blanket for Pop, and our offense is predictable and routine with this guy.
KT - old, slow, he is the epitome of the current spurs, not athletic and too slow to operate a dynamic defense. Our ability to double team is ineffective because we can't switch if our life depended on it.
Vaughn - Vaughn
Oberto - stick a fork in him
Bonner - he is not a killer. There are other 3 pt specialists we can get/develop to replace him.
Udoka - he is what 35?? or something. No way is he Bowen's apprentice. I wish we kept Hairston


The rest stay. I'm tired of this geriatric nonsense.

[Agloco]

After watching the travesty that was our team tonight I just think of the of having this roster another season. So I figured I'd ask you knowledgable spurs fan who you think will go or stay after this season?

Vaughn - OUT
Udoka - OUT
Bowen - OUT
Oberto - OUT
Finley - OUT
Thomas - IN
Gooden - IN as long as we can't land Sheed or Camby.
Bonner - IN but off the bench in spot duty.


Get a good veteran backup PG and let Hill split time with him. Move Mason EXCLUSIVELY to SG. Hope Timmy and Manu come back healthy, and hope TP isn't burned out after this season.

[45 bank shot]

shoulda kind rid of Vaughn Udoka Oberto Finley and Probably KT