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10-1 the next announcement from the F.O. is gonna be "big-man" related. Either Splitter or some euro or maybe that Ian has a bionic ankle installed by Dr. James Andrews.
Perhaps on paper, but you know dam well there will be some nights where Jefferson will be carrying the offense. even Bonner carried the offense for a few minutes this past year. Spurs need to get their PF/C now. I wouldn't be surprised if Mason and a few other pieces are on the trading block now. You never know...
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10-1 the next announcement from the F.O. is gonna be "big-man" related. Either Splitter or some euro or maybe that Ian has a bionic ankle installed by Dr. James Andrews.
I think it's the fans' general perception that you add RJ to the "big 3" but the financial and basketball reality is that unless you're going well into the luxury tax area, you can't just fill your roster with All-Star caliber (or former All-Star caliber) talent on the cheap. Thinking Rasheed Wallace or McDyess will sign for the vet's minimum is a pipe dream. When's the last time a guy signed on the cheap to chase the ring? Michael Finley, right? Easy decision to make if you're still cashing the huge checks from your former employer.
The thought process by PeterBurns is completely legitimate. You don't trade for a $15M/year player as insurance. Maybe Manu stays, maybe he goes. It all depends on how pressing a need the FO sees the newfound lack of depth at the 4/5. Maybe they surround Tim and whoever's left (Bonner) with a bunch of other journeymen types and think that it'll be enough. I just don't see how you get a top 10 center without giving up Manu. Sure, you can make the money work by throwing in the rest of the roster filler, but then you're in the luxury tax and you've got 6 people on your roster. You want to talk about a thin bench? How about signing 6 guys at the minimum just to fill out a mandated 12 man roster?
Who will be that burst off the bench if we start them together? I think Mason has will start to play off Duncan and Parker. I still seeing Manu leading the second team when D+P are on the bench.
With the Big 3 now expanding to a Big 4, do you still need a burst off the bench? Shouldn't be too hard for Pop to figure out how to keep at least 2 of those guys on the floor at all times.
Keeping 2 of the Fab 4 on the court at the same time shouldn't be overly difficult. In that scenario, you don't really need a bench spark. Mason or Hill should be enough.
The thing is the Spurs don't need a top 10 rated center. All they need is a quality big that will do what a big is suppose to do. Be a good interior defender, block/alter shots, rebound, and score when called upon. Nothing too drastic, but someone who can be relied upon.
Good point. I think the Spurs should have enough flexibility with Jefferson being able to play big minutes, where he can play some minutes with the 2nd unit, and him and Manu can split minutes with the 2nd unit. Mason and Hill coming off the bench should be fine.
As long as Mason doesn't struggle too much coming off the bench. If I recall correctly, a few times he came off the bench he wasn't as productive. But like you said, with a Fab 4, it won't be hard to have 2 of them on the floor at the same time.
Manu will NOT be traded ... PERIOD!!! Unless La and/or Cleveland are willing to do a Kobe/Lebron trade straight up which ain't gonna happen. If Manu comes back fully recovered we will need him as an integral part of the Championship run. If he is not healthy/fully recovered no other team would want him except for one of the minimum salary brackets. Pop & Holt love Manu's gung-ho at ude and style and also realize he is a big fan favorite = $$$$$$$$$$ so Manu retires as a Spur.
I pretty much agree with you about Fin, Udoka and Gooden.
I think there is a very good chance Manu is traded now. The Spurs just took on a big salary and went younger. If there is a deal out there for a solid SG and high draft pick, I think the Spurs may go that direction and get younger without having to rebuild for a couple of years.
Will the Spurs trade Manu to the Wizards to get that #5 pick now?
The chances of Manu being traded went from 1% to 0.000001%.
Slim chance, but maybe the Wizards are still calling. I'd prefer to see Manu stay. With RJ in we can limit his minutes and prolong his career.
Guys guys get it in your head manu is not going anywhere enoughallfukenredy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless they want to get something out of Manu's expiring contract coming up. I still see a possibility that he's traded.There's no way in you trade Manu now. Prior to the Jefferson trade, there were a few scenarios that made trade. Now? No way.
Having Manu on your team > Trading Manu's expiring contract
Yea, i Also think Manu will stay put, for the time being! I think its exactly what someone stated here already, an Insurance Policy! Clearly, there is not another player like Ginobili (Lefty, good ball handling, shooter, slasher, Clutch, Defensive, Has Heart!, Energetic, good free throw shooter) but Richard Jefferson is as close as its going to get! The Big Question is if Manu does not get back to form with a whole summer of Rest and His Injury ends up staying a LOOMing Injury, then The Richard Jefferson Trade makes it even more brilliant! If Manu Stays, and he is healthy, the Spurs will have 4 Offensive threats with good defensive skills on the court when it matters the most! If Manu cannot get to par and does not have it in him like he use to, I think Even Manu knows it will be time to either take a huge pay cut to stay with the spurs, move on, or retire! So, i think this Trade respects Manu!(because it allows him to prove that he can possibly get to his old self), but also serves as a insurance policy for the Spurs Organization, if say he cannot get back to self because of his injury!
All in all, great trade. Now its time to keep it going, still a long way to go before start of training camp!
Gino + Splliter for Cambyman and #1 pick ?? Could Clipps go with it ?
Hate to say it but Manu looks to be a tradeable asset if spurs keep mason. Spurs know that they need a big badly now and Manu health status at the playoff is a question mark. Spurs are in a full win now mode and they know that without a quality big would not put them in a position to compete with the lakers. Maybe magic resign their backup big and trade him with lee plus filler to Manu. Maybe clippers trade filler plus kaman for Manu plus bonner
The key pt is spurs need some lux tax relief and a good quality bigman to pair up with td and tp and rj now. There is obvious no enough min and ball for tp rj Manu mason and hill.
Simply put, Manu Ginobili is worth MUCH more to us than he is to any other team..he's had plenty of time off, he says he's healthy, and he will no longer have to have a big scoring load now that RJ is on the team..
If Manu is healthy, this team can potentially be scary..
Mason, Bonner and/or Finley are much more likely to be traded than Manu..we don't need a big-name big man anymore after this trade, we need a role player..those expiring contracts should be enough to get us somebody..
it's pretty much surely the opposite. Mason is the expendable one now, Manu isn't going anywhere until after the season begins and his health is reassessed.
If a Manu trade were to go down, I doubt its before February.
SPurs backcourt is pretty much set in stone:
Parker
Hill
Mason
Manu
Jefferson
Spurs have to see what they have in their frontcourt before making their next move:
Gooden
Ian
Gist
?
they will make 1 or 2 more moves...
I wish I could believe you, but now it makes more sense for them to trade Manu for Haywood/Blatche/Young plus the fifth pick (Harden). They get bigs to make up for Kurt/Fab.
Even if they keep Manu this year, the chance of re-signing him now would be nil. If he got a 3 year/30 mil deal, it would mean $59M for four guys in '10 and 57.4M for four guys in '11.
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