If Sheed is in, is Bonner a goner?

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We must have seen a different season. Bonner was routinely abused, and on top of that could not grab a board to save his life. If his shot was not falling (pretty much every game since January), then he was detriment to the team.
Then again, my point is not about his abilities. I'm wondering if he's the guy that could be moved to offset some salary now that we're going to be on lux tax territory. I don't really mind him at the end of the bench.

If you put Duncan out on the perimeter guarding Chris Paul, don't be pissed at Duncan when Paul goes by him.

Bonner got scored on by guys like Amare, Gasol, Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony, Rasheed, Dirk, Yao, etc., and you guys are surprised? News flash: Those guys score on everybody, and Bonner was charged with defending them with no help and very little backup because he was the starting center. That's hardly his fault, as I'm sure he was never brought to this team to be a starter, much less a defender of the best bigs on the other team or even a shot blocker.

I'm quite sure that if relieved of having to cover those guys every single night, he'd quickly become an asset. His job should be to be a gunner who plays 10-20 minutes depending on the opponent and his primary job should be shooting open threes and getting cushy defensive assignments.

[EricB]

7.2. Camby's deal was frontloaded.

Damnt,

someone posted the other day it was 9.9.

go ahead and pick that option up Finley and bring in Camby, sign Sheed call it an offseason.

[phyzik]

if you put duncan out on the perimeter guarding chris paul, don't be pissed at duncan when paul goes by him.

Bonner got scored on by guys like amare, gasol, lamarcus aldridge, carmelo anthony, rasheed, dirk, yao, etc., and you guys are surprised? News flash: those guys score on everybody, and bonner was charged with defending them with no help and very little backup because he was the starting center. That's hardly his fault, as i'm sure he was never brought to this team to be a starter, much less a defender of the best bigs on the other team or even a shot blocker.

I'm quite sure that if relieved of having to cover those guys every single night, he'd quickly become an asset. His job should be to be a gunner who plays 10-20 minutes depending on the opponent and his primary job should be shooting open threes and getting cushy defensive assignments.

qft

[EricB]

It would take Mason, Finley and Bonner for the trade to work for Camby.....

you only have to get within 125% to get it to happen.

Bonner makes 3.5 I believe and Finley if he picked up the option would make 2.5.

Thats 6 right there. More than enough to be within the 125% range to get it done.

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Trading Bonner for Camby doesn't solve any problems for the Clippers.

[Spurs16212]

If you put Duncan out on the perimeter guarding Chris Paul, don't be pissed at Duncan when Paul goes by him.

Bonner got scored on by guys like Amare, Gasol, Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony, Rasheed, Dirk, Yao, etc., and you guys are surprised? News flash: Those guys score on everybody, and Bonner was charged with defending them with no help and very little backup because he was the starting center. That's hardly his fault, as I'm sure he was never brought to this team to be a starter, much less a defender of the best bigs on the other team or even a shot blocker.


I'm quite sure that if relieved of having to cover those guys every single night, he'd quickly become an asset. His job should be to be a gunner who plays 10-20 minutes depending on the opponent and his primary job should be shooting open threes and getting cushy defensive assignments.

I agree that he was played out of position.... He is not a center much less a post player.... I am not entirely sold that he is a wing either...... Its like he has the body of a post but the skills of a wing.....

And its true that guys like Gasol, Dirk, Carmelo, etc. are going to score their points but at the same sense the Spurs needed him as a big and he had his moments but in all he had his difficulty because at times he would disappear. Its not all his fault but I think with the direction the Spurs want to go in Bonner would not fit in those plans. He is a great individual and a great player but the Spurs right now in my belief needs a different type player to complement this revamped roster.

[slayermin]

Bonner shot 44% from three last season. You have to keep your expectations low with Matt, then be pleasantly surprised when he drills 4 out of 6 behind the arc. He kills certain teams because in his own way, he's a tough matchup.

But if Rasheed does come, Bonner is expendable.

[NewJerSpur]

I agree that he was played out of position.... He is not a center much less a post player.... I am not entirely sold that he is a wing either...... Its like he has the body of a post but the skills of a wing.....

And its true that guys like Gasol, Dirk, Carmelo, etc. are going to score their points but at the same sense the Spurs needed him as a big and he had his moments but in all he had his difficulty because at times he would disappear. Its not all his fault but I think with the direction the Spurs want to go in Bonner would not fit in those plans. He is a great individual and a great player but the Spurs right now in my belief needs a different type player to complement this revamped roster.

The Big situation is still dicey and dude can still shoot the ball which will land you a lifetime spot on Pop's bench. I too believe that if you give him a lesser role he'd still be a good fit.

[Thompson]

Trading Bonner for Camby doesn't solve any problems for the Clippers.

They couldn't use an outside shooting big in exchange for one of their many centers? I'm curious (honest question, I don't know the difference), why do players like Kapono get massive contracts for shooting the 3, and Bonner shoots the best percentage in the NBA last year and no one wants him. I'm sure Kapono must do something else well, I just don't know what it is.

You're right that they wouldn't do that trade, though. Last year they wanted Hill (and Mason?) to do the trade, and I'm kind of glad that deal fell through.

[50 cent]

Dumping Butler's contract, which was smaller than Bonner's contract is now, turned out to be a horrible trade.

If you think about it, trading Scola allowed us to get Kurt Thomas which we turned into Richard Jefferson, so it's not all bad in hindsight.

[ElNono]

If you put Duncan out on the perimeter guarding Chris Paul, don't be pissed at Duncan when Paul goes by him.

Bonner got scored on by guys like Amare, Gasol, Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony, Rasheed, Dirk, Yao, etc., and you guys are surprised? News flash: Those guys score on everybody, and Bonner was charged with defending them with no help and very little backup because he was the starting center. That's hardly his fault, as I'm sure he was never brought to this team to be a starter, much less a defender of the best bigs on the other team or even a shot blocker.

I'm quite sure that if relieved of having to cover those guys every single night, he'd quickly become an asset. His job should be to be a gunner who plays 10-20 minutes depending on the opponent and his primary job should be shooting open threes and getting cushy defensive assignments.

Kurt Thomas didn't have a problem grabbing boards against those same guys.
After playing a full season, he KEPT missing defensive rotations.
What's his excuse? I'm sorry, but Pop played him in the same way that he played Horry, with the difference that Horry was a smarter defender and could still go up and block an occasional shot.
Again, should we land a guy like Rasheed, do we really need him?

[Spurs16212]

you only have to get within 125% to get it to happen.

Bonner makes 3.5 I believe and Finley if he picked up the option would make 2.5.

Thats 6 right there. More than enough to be within the 125% range to get it done.

Marcus Camby is set to make about 9.6 Million this coming year. I dont know where the 7.2 Million is coming from..... With the 6.3 Million that Bonner and Finley make combined that comes out to 152%. You need a third person in this and I would have to say it would come down to Mason......

[Spurs16212]

Kurt Thomas didn't have a problem grabbing boards against those same guys.
After playing a full season, he KEPT missing defensive rotations.
What's his excuse? I'm sorry, but Pop played him in the same way that he played Horry, with the difference that Horry was a smarter defender and could still go up and block an occasional shot.
Again, should we land a guy like Rasheed, do we really need him?

I agree....... But I do believe he had his moments though.

[Ditty]

could we trade him for a second round pick in 2020?

[Dingle Barry]

You can't just look at Dirk's stats and act like Bonner is a Dirk stopper now. Dirk was choking all over the place for the majority of that series.

Bonner sucks ass at defense. That's a fact, a physical law of the universe.

[EricB]

Alright whats Camby REALLY making.

7.2 or 9.6 someone make up their mind please.

[EricB]

You can't just look at Dirk's stats and act like Bonner is a Dirk stopper now. Dirk was choking all over the place for the majority of that series.

Bonner sucks ass at defense. That's a fact, a physical law of the universe.

Ah ok.

So he chokes when does bad nothing to do with Bonner.

Does good, its cause Bonner sucks at defense.




typical childish hate of Bonner BS.

[MaNu4Tres]

Alright whats Camby REALLY making.

7.2 or 9.6 someone make up their mind please.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...s/clippers.jsp

[loveforthegame]

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...s/clippers.jsp

Huh. Hoopshype has the same numbers as your link for everyone else but Camby.

They have him making $7,650,000

[HarlemHeat37]

Bonner is a valuable offensive player to have off your bench..he's a great 3-point shooter, and the rest of his game wouldn't look bad playing against the bench players of the opposing team..

[MaNu4Tres]

Ah ok.

So he chokes when does bad nothing to do with Bonner.

Does good, its cause Bonner sucks at defense.




typical childish hate of Bonner BS.

Bonner's defensive positioning was very good last year and he gave a commendable effort on the defensive end that was overlooked. However even with the effort he showed, he is very limited physically and athletically which still makes him a liability on the defensive end. Just like Brent Barry was for us on the perimeter. Great effort but still a liability.

[NewJerSpur]

You can't just look at Dirk's stats and act like Bonner is a Dirk stopper now. Dirk was choking all over the place for the majority of that series.

Bonner sucks ass at defense. That's a fact, a physical law of the universe.

Well, when Dirk went against a Bonner-less Nugget team his numbers increased dramatically....though he was in explicably missing some open shots against SA. Don't think anyone has mentioned Matt as being a "Dirk-stopper", but his defense was solid.

Again, the main question asked of the thread is will he be back if we sign a big like Sheed....I say yes.

[ss1986v2]

Huh. Hoopshype has the same numbers as your link for everyone else but Camby.

They have him making $7,650,000

never use hoopshype for salaries. its like going to hoopsworld for credible rumors.

[Dingle Barry]

Ah ok.

So he chokes when does bad nothing to do with Bonner.

Does good, its cause Bonner sucks at defense.




typical childish hate of Bonner BS.

Wrong. It's typical analysis of the defense Bonner actually played. Although children do hate Bonner BS, as do puppies and Jesus.

[Cry Havoc]

I'd much rather have Bonner than having to cut him, take a penalty, and then resign Fabs.