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Technically there is no cap savings, but financially, it allows the Spurs to sign and re-sign other players and stay under the luxury tax threshold.
Oh, it helps financially. It helps Holt with the luxury tax. But don't fool yourself into thinking it gives the Spurs any cap space.
Technically there is no cap savings, but financially, it allows the Spurs to sign and re-sign other players and stay under the luxury tax threshold.
Only true if they don't re-sign Mohammed.
Again, I'm not denying he looks lost out there, especially w/o Duncan. 1 1/2 seasons of frustration is the worst case scenario here as opposed to what we already went through with Malik.
Or we could've gotten Yogi Stewart or someone who can't even suit up.
Malik was gone at the firsrt opportunity regardless.
Its not a matter of "fooling myself"
I equated cap space with luxury tax. Im not much of a capologist.
As he is not Malik, Nazr is one of those "other players."Only true if they don't re-sign Mohammed.
What does that mean? The Spurs don't save any money in this trade unless they don't re-sign Mohammed.
Admit that.
I agree about that. I'm just saying that right now on the court, he sucks. And there's no reason to sugar coat it. Hopefully when Duncan returns, he'll get better. But with what Marks has shown in the past few games, I'm not sure you leave him off the playoff roster in favor of Nazr.
It means they wanted that money to go to players other than Malik. What part don't you get?What does that mean?I just did -- assuming Nazr's new deal would start at $6.5 million.The Spurs don't save any money in this trade unless they don't re-sign Mohammed.
Admit that.
Can Nazr do this in playoffs against the Suns, our #1 threat?
When DRob was not playing much at all in rd 1 against Phoenix, Rose came up huge. Here are his numbers when we needed him.
1st playoff series of 03:
Phoenix is opponent
Game pts/rebs
1.13pts 6 rebs
2.11/5
3. 15/7
4.10/14
5.27/13
6.7/7
I can not even think about Nazr doing this if we needed him to.
This is why this trade sucks...we do not have the backup that we had when Rose was needed.
When DRob was hurt or TD was in foul trouble, we could count on Rose to do this for us.
He did not do it all the time and was a DNP-coaches decision a lot of times, but that was betw him and Pop...it was not because he could not play Spurs bball.
Last edited by Jimcs50; 04-07-2005 at 12:03 PM.
Even if the Spurs give him any contract that starts in the $4-5M range, the overall change is pretty much nothing.
Luckily for the Spurs, at this point I don't think teams are going to be fighting over Samaki Walkammed.
You're assuming re-signing him is a lock.Even if the Spurs give him any contract that starts in the $4-5M range, the overall change is pretty much nothing.
Luckily for the Spurs, at this right I don't think teams are going to be fighting over Samaki Walkammed.
It all depends on Nazr's performance next year and whether Scola comes over and works out as well. It's a fair prediction that keeping Rose would've meant more of the same since he signed the contract which makes less and less financial sense as the contract grows larger.
I am pretty sure that is wrong Jimcs50.
Malik had a 27 point 13 rebound game against Phoenix, game 5 if I remember correctly, helping break the 2-2 tie.
Long live Malik
At this point, I wish the Spurs had gotten Yogi Stewart or someone else who's contract is up after this year in return for Rose.
And? It's not like anyone was lining up to take Malik's contract. There was a grand total of one offer this season, and no guarantee it would be there after this season.
oops, I accidently repeated game 3 instead of putting his great game up....thanks for correcting me....now my point is even better.I am pretty sure that is wrong Jimcs50.
Malik had a 27 point 13 rebound game against Phoenix, game 5 if I remember correctly, helping break the 2-2 tie.
Long live Malik
Notice how nobody said anyting about that series.....
all the Rose haters are running for cover now...how utterly predictable.
Incorrect. There were other deals offered to the Spurs throughout the season that would have gotten rid of Rose for an expiring contract.
There's no denying what Malik did for this team, just as there's no denying what Malik didn't do for this team. Ultimately, if we end up with a guy who can consistently back up Duncan and Rasho, be it Nazr, Scola or someone else -- he'll be doing something Malik didn't.
Which ones? I honestly hadn't heard of any. The Yogi business was last season.Incorrect. There were other deals offered to the Spurs throughout the season that would have gotten rid of Rose for an expiring contract.
timvp, can you tell me why getting rid of that contract was tantamount to the Spurs continuing getting their players signed?
Was is neccessary?
Could the Spurs have been successful with the the status quo?
Yogi was this season too. The Celtics had a deal of Yogi and trash (Gugs?) for Rose on the table since the summer.
Is that it?
It wasn't. That is a myth.
Not for any monetary reasons.Was is neccessary?
Yes, but there was obviously some friction between Pop and Malik. Most likely, Pop thought that Malik was underminning his leadership of the team or something like that.Could the Spurs have been successful with the the status quo?
Untrue. The Spurs aren't owned by Cablevision. [awaits "Holt is cheap" retort]It wasn't. That is a myth.Give me a break - that's all we've been talking about. Unless you're going to go into some half-baked analysis about exactly how much money the Spurs are making and will make and their debt structrure, etc.Not for any monetary reasons.Malik was getting beaten out by old farts every year. You can blame Pop for that I guess, but that's not an argument for paying Malik more to do that same. I said play him or trade him. He was traded.Most likely, Pop thought that Malik was underminning his leadership of the team or something like that.
maybe cause he doesn't totally know the system.But he's in the wrong place constantly
I watched last night and didn't see anyone "waving' him out of the way.
Once again, Im with Spurm, CC, and Chump before I dump on this guy.
Block shots are overrated?? Uh ok.
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