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What's the Correlation?
Barry hated around here for months now lots of love that granted he has earned.
Nazr getting a beating on here so bad = you would think this was a Philly forum, IMO he is a relative dissapointment but give him the same frigging chance before reaming this guy over and over again. Some guys just take a little while to get systems.
The truth is that like Barry he has performed in past, he was a starting center with darn good numbers and for all we know could still be somewhat injured. One cannot deny that early in his Spur time he showed flashes and may just be trying to hard at the present. He also is blocking shots which pundits said he could not do, he does that he brings a lot.
Mark it down he will rise again, look at this guy's past, he worked his tail off at Kentucky to lose weight etc. and make himself into an athlete, that work ethic does not go away.
What's the Correlation?
I think all of us like Nazr the person...the anger is at the Spurs for doing this trade...Nazr is just the face that is put on it....
We traded a very servicable back up for a project in the middle of the greatest season in Spurs history...and we did it for financial reasons, as Pop admitted...I think there is ample reason to be pissed about this trade....
And Nazr is barely a shotblocker...he's not ever going to be a shotblocker like Rasho...and it wasn't just pundits on this board that said that...it was Nazr himself.
And finally...I don't think you reazlize how poorly the team performs when Nazr is on the court, as opposed to any other player on our team...
Yes you can come up with endless excuses and justification...but what you are you really accomplishing? Are you increasing our chances of winning a le by doing so?
Nazr is a nice and likeable guy...but he's not Malik Rose...he doesn't have his fire...he doesn't have his determination...and when you are talking about two backups those things are much more important than boards and ppg...
And BTW, Nazr with Duncan out, is putting up worse numbers than Malik was here...that trad hurt us and the fans are pissed...and Malik would have been getting PT with Duncan out.
IF Horry wasn't stepping up huge right now and like no other time in his Spurs career...this trade would be absolutely disastrous....Horry is saving the Spurs ass right now...
So basically you're saying that you don't like Nazr because they traded Malik for him. Rummpd stressed about giving the guy some time to adjust, I mean, come on, Barry took all season to adjust, and now look at him, his burning it up out there. All I'm saying is you have to get over the Malik/Nazr trade and focus on what you have at hand. Nazr could turn out to be a decent adquisition IF you give him time. A lot of people loved Malik Whottt, but lets face it, he wasn't the best player around; furthermore, IMO he contributed more with his charisma and personality than did with his playing (this season ofcourse) All I'm saying is don't just hate Nazr because he came at the end of a trade you didn't like, give him a chance.
Agreed and I liked Malik as much as anybody and if fact met him recently on a visit back to Drexel where I am a professor.
Again, just give Nazr some time. Malik and the Knicks started out as a house on fire but then are mailing it in (not Malik surely but the team).
I still believe this trade utimetely helps Spurs and in the short run at least has inspired both Rasho and Marks to play better. Nazr will be fine, maybe he is just the opposite of Rasho and will play better with Duncan than without.
Would that be so bad?
I was one of those that liked Malik a lot but thought it was a good basketball trade for Nazr Mohammed based on what I had seen/heard/read. I too have been dissappointed in how slowly he has adapted to this team...I sat really close to the floor last night and watched Nazr almost exclusively when he was in the game trying to find an upside and had a really hard time finding ANY bright spots...hopefully it was just a bad night but he was truly awful and looked totally lost on the floor...on offense he just stood around a lot at the top of the key and rarely moved without the ball...he wasn't getting offensive rebounding position and boxing out...twice I saw him break off and start back on defense when a spurs shot was still in the air and just surrendered the rebound without even trying for it...Old man Robert Horry was playing with 10 times the energy and intensity of Nazr. I told the guy I was with after the second early break that Pop was gonna yank his ass and put Marks in if Nazr didn't pull his head out of his ass and thats exactly what Pop did...
Rose is so superior to Nazr at playing Spurs bball it is not even close.
If Nazr makes the playoff roster, it will only be because Pop will not want to have people tell him he made a huge mistake in making this assinine trade...and that will probably be the case....which makes Pop even a bigger dumbass than his original dumbass mistake.
Marks is so much better right now for this team it is not even funny.
Admit you were wrong Pop, and put Marks on roster instead of Nazr the bust.
I believe both will be on playoff roster potentially, would be sad for Massenburg but with Robinson, Duncan, Marks, etc. hard to make best decision.
Will see if you are singing same song re Nazr in 6 months. Believe it will be changed and he might even be the starter.
The Spurs were not going to win the le because of Malik Rose and if the Spurs do not win the le it will not be because Malik is gone. With a healthy Duncan, Parker and Ginobili the Spurs are still the favorites. I didn't like to see Malik go but I get the business side of this. I would have liked to see it happen after the season but it didn't. Personally I blame the Spurs inconsistent play on the lack of Tim Duncan rather than Malik Rose.
Lost in last night again = 3 blocks in 11 minutes = is that not valuable?
But...he's not a shot-blocker.
I think that if Big Dawg decides to come back next year, a full training camp would make both he and Nazr valuable, contributing members of the Spurs.
Massenburgh> Nazr right now. Mass has been there all year, he deserves to be on playoff roster more than Nazr who has shown nothing this year whatsoever.
3 blocks?
That is all you got?
Nazr has more than doubled his per-minute blocking rate as a Spur. 3.54 blocks per 48 minutes as a Spur puts him just behind Duncan, #8 in the league.
Overall, he's jumped up from about #45-50 in blk/48 as a Knick to #31 this season -- right behind Robert Horry.
It will probably be next season before he actually gets the system, but you'd have to be a true hater to spin the blocking negatively.
Block shots are overrated.
Chris Anderson has had 13, countem 13, in the last 2 games for New Orleans and they got blown out.
If that is all he can do, then, he is not worth keeping on the playoff roster.
Have you watched him on the O glass???
He does not even try to get the O rebs at all, he makes a half hearted swipe at the ball and that is all. Rasho is much better at crashing the O boards and everyone always trashes him, so what gives with this love affair with Nazr???
You guys are just trying to not admit that the trade was a horrible move and that is it.
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(209.0)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(3.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(5.8)
And over half his rebounds as a Spur are offensive.
I'm not saying he isn't lost out there, or that Malik wouldn't be doing better right now.
Just that you're bias is blinding you.
I agree with Exstatic that I will give Nazr Mohammed a full training camp with the Spurs before I decide that he is hopeless but as of right now the poor guy just looks lost on the floor.
ok, but that is my point.
WTF did we make this trade THIS year????
It hurt us and it might cost us a championship that was a done deal before the trade.
Because Malik's contract was that difficult to move.WTF did we make this trade THIS year????
who gave him the contract?
, I would have kicked in a few thousand to just keep him over that scrub, Nazr.
The Spurs, under the assumption he'd play 25mpg and not get beat out by any and every old fart signed thereafter.who gave him the contract?How about $20 million. that might have made it worth it., I would have kicked in a few thousand
I'd love to live in a world where money made no difference, but I won't pretend that's reality.
horrible? IMO, no. It cleared cap space so it wasn't a total bust. I still wouldn't have pulled the trigger during the season though.
It didn't clear any cap space. The Spurs were over the cap for the next four or five years before the trade and they still are.
You don't think the Spurs still have enough talent to win it all?It hurt us and it might cost us a championship that was a done deal before the trade.
then why trade the contract if it doesn't help financially?
Nazr sucking is not about his numbers. He could have the exact same numbers and not suck.
Sure, he gets some O boards and he blocks some shots here and there. But he's in the wrong place constantly -- everyone is always waving him to move. He calls for the ball over and over (at least the guards have learned to ignore him) even when they are running set plays that aren't for him. And he is clueless on D. When he first got here, he was doing a great job getting rebounding position -- now he doesn't even do that.
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