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Tired of this arguement. Both great great players but Duncan by far having better career as end of day winning is what is is all about. End of discussion, unless Garnett late bloomer.
Not a clue. I'm having lots of fun stomping on KG when he's down but I've never heard of him doing anything classless like that. He may have made Rasho cry but I thought it was just by berating him.
Tired of this arguement. Both great great players but Duncan by far having better career as end of day winning is what is is all about. End of discussion, unless Garnett late bloomer.
^^^ lol
its clearly simple, put duncan on any team and they are a contender.
Carreer stats are meaningless, KG wasn't developed when he came out of HS. I love how everyone points out to Wally, Sam, Troy, Spree, etc.....
Name me one other player that's a tough defender. Hassell hasn't played like he did last year.
Obvioulsy no one watched KG hobble on his knee this year. I admit, i was one of those ing about Webber after his surgury but now EVERYONE realizes that his knee was bothering him. Same story. Guys try to play hurt and there rediculed. Tim doesn't play hurt, and that works for his team. Remember the same people that said the spurs minus tim is a lottery team? Laughable. Spurs minus tim AND pop are a lottery team. What would tim do on the wolves? He'd struggle defensively that's for sure bc he's not mobile enough for the zone. He wouldn't get the ball down on the block as much. He wouldn't get his FTA's. He certainly wouldn't get his rebounds as he does since the wolves have always shot both FG's and FTA's well. Remember, it WAS Tim who failed at the olympics with his fellow MVP-worthy PG AI. So we have the best coach in the game, the "best" PF in the game, one of the top two PG's in the game, the best 2 guard in the game, the best SF in the game (lebron) and Tim writes history that can never be broken?
Funny how the arguments about a real leader and great player can carry the team don't carry over to this eye-popping display of talent at the olympics. He didn't have a shooter, right? 'Cuz of course that's more important than someone else that gives a damn about defense. 3 pt shooting teams have long won the NBA and Olympic les, right?
The dude has one year where his team fails. It ALSO happans to be the same year where these OLD players (that everyone thought was washed up already before last year) about contracts, KG play all year long with a bum knee AND Sam is in and out of the lineup with reoccuring hamstring problems.
Do any of you sherlocks wonder why they are playing well once Sam is healthy and a decent option at PG exists?
Um, Tim failed at the Olympics, KG failed by sitting at home. The only history KG can break is the one where he wins a ring. Otherwise KG=Barkley.
Here is something to chew on.
http://www.82games.com/comm14.htm
Garbage Time Player Stats
We all know that there are times when an NBA game seems to be over even though there may be more than a few minutes left on the clock. Garbage Time is upon us, and for most coaches it's an opportunity to trot out the tail end of the twelve man roster and divvy up some minutes to the lesser players who battle hard during practice. It's also frequently a time for rookies to get an extended stretch of playing time.
Of course, when the outcome of a game is for all intents and purposes finalized, there's a good chance that the play becomes in some cases a matter of padding one's stats. Do players look to post a few extra numbers on the stat sheet when the defenses are relaxed and the opposition may be going through the motions?
We elected to use the following definition of "garbage time" moments: 4th quarter and overtime where either team has a lead of 10 points plus one point for each minute remaining. It's easier to see this in table form --
It could be argued certainly that these thresholds are wrong, that teams have indeed clawed their way back from being 15 points down with six minutes to go. We're pretty comfortable thinking this is a reasonable definition when you consider that if the game tightens up it will no longer be judged as garbage time (and the starters are all rushed back into the game!)
The table below shows various ac ulated stats for the current 2003-04 season, under our garbage time filter. We created a "Stats Padding" number that is Points + Rebounds + Assists + Blocks + Steals.
Now, we don't intend for these numbers to be used to denigrate players, after all there's nothing wrong with doing well in minutes that are "less than crucial" and we respect players who still play hard and give the fans their money's worth after the game is out of reach. So before you start trash talking about how Garnett is stockpiling numbers for his MVP claims, you would be wise to remember that he puts up similar levels of productivity throughout the full 48 minutes!
On the other hand, this may be a useful tool for evaluating some of the bench players -- break out their stats into "garbage time" and non-garbage time categories and then judge them by the performance in the minutes that really mattered.
Taking a similar troll through the garbage moments of the 2002-03 season comes in with the following top twenty "G-Men"
We have tons of respect for players numbered 1, 5, and 7 on this list for starters, so we don't take it as a slam on any of them that they show up as benefitting from some extra minutes that were far from crunch time. If anything, the guys padding their numbers a bit are the ones chasing the scoring le -- if you sort the numbers by field goals attempted per minute, the top three players are Bryant, McGrady, and Pierce!
Ah, but the heart of the question and the inspiration for this effort came from our friend Charlie B. who clearly has an ulterior motive in wanting to compare Garnett and Duncan's numbers since they were two of the main names in the MVP chase last year:
hey sickdsm, if Garnett was so banged up then why has he played every single game this season?
And anyone who said that Tim hasn't played hurt this season knows nothing. Ever since that first ankle injury, his mobility has been noticably limited, and after this latest (and worst) ankle injury Tim won't be the same. Not to mention the fact that Tim has played basketball for 2 years non-stop.
User: Welcome to last year. That's been brought up and debated over already. Unlike the spurs the wolves absolutely crumble when KG is not in the game. That's why you see KG's minutes always up there. Watch a game or two before you pretend to know, ok? One would think it would be logical to EVERYONE that since the spurs are a top notch defensive squad that the entire team would be keen at holding leads and stopping runs. The wolves aren't so good at that so Flip always tried to keep KG in as long as possible. Same situation with LeBron. You think he's averaging 42.2 MPG bc he's stat padding? In case you forgot though, this part tells the entire story.
So before you start trash talking about how Garnett is stockpiling numbers for his MVP claims, you would be wise to remember that he puts up similar levels of productivity throughout the full 48 minutes!
TDfan: Maybe you don't know how dedicated KG is. He LITERALLY (reminds me of that MadTV skit) would take a bullet to save the game of basketball. You want to get rid of Bin Laden? Tell KG he's trying to keep basketball down. He would go out there with a broken leg. I know in the games i've seen duncan play this year he didn't consistantly have a leg buckle underneath him on rebounds. Most players would have come out of the game at those points. Not Kev, he stayed in there so he could hear losers like you detract from his game.
LOL, User maybe you forgot but MOST nba stars find it unappealing to go to the Olympics after winning there ring.
What ring?
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