Malik did his job...and never truly stopped doing it...we made a switch for financial reasons and hindered our chances of winning a le...that's my reason for being impatient with his progess.
I have nothing against Nazr the person and never have, my problem is with the Spurs for making that trade...Nazr has always seemed to be classy and he also seems fearless, and I never been critical of his person...but that doesn't take the Spurs off the hook.
At the minimum this trade probably cost us HCA and the 1 seed, and therefore our road to a le is more difficult...I don't see how anyone that is intellectually honest can argue with that point(assuming we don't just totally luck our way back into it).
And before you start on this...I can find quotes by Pop himself saying this trade was for financial reasons and that Malik's contract was the reason he was traded.
Besides...if you haven't noticed, I have been giving Nazr his props for a few days now...like the since the Clipper game...and he only played 8 minutes in that game.
You called me out and are acting like he is Chambarlain again...you are getting blinded by all those Offensive rebounds...
The only financial reasons were Malik wasn't justifying his pay. , he wasn't justifying the league minimum with the way he was playing.
The only thing that cost us the 1 seed is the injury of Tim and Manu at the same time.
I don't see how anyone that is intellectually honest can even begin to ignore their injuries and insist (with a straight face) that we're gonna lose out on the 1 seed because of the loss of Malik
I read Pop's quotes, and like I said - Malik wasn't even justifying Sean Marks money with his play, let alone midlevel exemption money.
Where am I saying anything about Wilt?
Part of the problem with you Rose lovers is your ing irrational arguments. I'm not saying anything about Kareem or Wilt or any other HOFer.
I am saying that Nazr is playing some great ball, and can do things thanks to his size Malik couldn't even think about doing with out a trampoline or a step ladder when it comes to playing basketball in this league.
Get over it, the trade has been over with for a good six weeks now.
Oh, and as for your whining about winning a le this year: Malik wasn't going to do anything to help that unless you count him waving a towel sitting at the end of the bench, because that's all he would have been doing this summer.
Forget about if Malik was earning his pay...that's not the issue...the issue is if he could do that job better than Nazr...and that he has filled in admirably for Duncan and Robinson in the past and he knew the team better than anyone...on top of that, he's got a better J, he is a better defender and he more determined...
He's also a proven and experienced playoff perfomer...
You still refuse to acknowledge the job Malik did, even last season, filling in for Duncan...how can you do that?
Nazr sucked for most of Duncan's injury...
I realize he has a good excuse for sucking...but I didn't want a good excuse for sucking...I wanted HCA and the 1 seed...
Bigger isn't always better.
Um...who called who out?Get over it, the trade has been over with for a good six weeks now.
He wasn't in the doghouse this year...and he had some good games for us, off the bench, before he was traded.Oh, and as for your whining about winning a le this year: Malik wasn't going to do anything to help that unless you count him waving a towel sitting at the end of the bench, because that's all he would have been doing this summer.
rasho nazr is a double double machine and just plain better than him!!
:yawn
Nazr sucked on the Spurs at first, but now the trade is looking good for the Spurs.
Again, I don't GAF about the past. The past does nothing to help us win another ring, unless the DRob of '99 suddenly shows up healthy and ready to go tomorrow.You still refuse to acknowledge the job Malik did, even last season, filling in for Duncan...how can you do that?
So what did Malik filling in for Tim get us last year in the way of a le? I mean that seems to be your absolute gauge on all this, Malik has rings, Nazr doesn't, so Malik obviously > Nazr.When I want to reminisce about the le runs, I'll be happy to shoot the with you about Malik holding it down against Shaq or dropping 25 on the Mavs.
Malik did such a great job filling in for Tim we ended up getting killed by LA last year. Big deal (using your absolutist logic).
You seem to be incapable of grasping the present or future in this league. We are in the transition where length, power, and athleticism inside are becoming a more common sight - even the SFs are starting to show up in the 6'10"-6'11" size range these days, and in a league where that's becoming more and more common, a 6'4" backup post player is going to be even more of a liability (especially on defense).
I for one, as critical as I am of Pop, appreciate him for recognizing that liability and acting to head it off. Maybe you should to the same instead of getting your Malik Rose underoos in such a pinch.
I'll eat crow when Nazr does something like this, off the bench, in the playoffs, when we are down 0-1 on our own home court, in the Conference finals:
http://www.nba.com/games/20030521/DALSAS/boxscore.html
Code:Spurs REBOUNDS PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS TONY PARKER G 34 6-11 0-0 7-8 0 4 4 4 3 1 3 0 19 STEPHEN JACKSON G 34 7-14 1-4 2-2 0 5 5 5 3 2 1 0 17 TIM DUNCAN F 40 11-21 0-0 10-13 5 10 15 5 4 0 1 3 32 BRUCE BOWEN F 34 2-7 2-4 0-0 0 3 3 2 2 0 2 0 6 DAVID ROBINSON C 20 2-5 0-0 3-4 2 5 7 2 1 1 1 1 7 Emanuel Ginobili 28 3-6 1-2 0-0 1 2 3 2 2 2 2 1 7 Malik Rose 27 5-11 0-0 15-18 2 4 6 2 5 1 2 1 25 Speedy Claxton 14 3-4 0-0 0-0 0 5 5 2 1 0 0 0 6 Danny Ferry 8 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 3 3 0 1 0 2 0 0 Kevin Willis 1 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Steve Kerr DNP Steve Smith DNP TOTAL 240 39-81 4-11 37-45 10 41 51 24 22 7 14 6 119 48.1% 36.4% 82.2% Team Rebs: 8 Total TO: 14
On second thought you're right whott. Will Perdue kicked ass playing D against Shaq in that first le run, maybe we can get him out of retirement in time for the playoffs.
Hey, Jaren Jackson once had 6 threes in a playoff game against the Lakers, he'd obviously make a great addition to this team in the playoffs this year and for years to come.
[/whott logic]
Nazr did his best job of post defense as a Spur tonight. Props for his work on Gasol.
And Gasol used to be one of those matchups that gave this team fits (even with Rose).
You need to look at what Malik was doing the week he was traded...off the bench.
Malik is the one guy on the team you cannot blame for our failure to win a le last year. He wasn't let off the bench against the Lakers...inspite of having some of the best games of his career last season.So what did Malik filling in for Tim get us last year in the way of a le? I mean that seems to be your absolute gauge on all this, Malik has rings, Nazr doesn't, so Malik obviously > Nazr.
It's not Malik's fault Pop can be a prick...ask Brent Barry.Malik did such a great job filling in for Tim we ended up getting killed by LA last year. Big deal (using your absolutist logic).
So why didn't Shawn Marks ever beat Malik out?You seem to be incapable of grasping the present or future in this league. We are in the transition where length, power, and athleticism inside are becoming a more common sight - even the SFs are starting to show up in the 6'10"-6'11" size range these days, and in a league where that's becoming more and more common, a 6'4" backup post player is going to be even more of a liability (especially on defense).
LMAO you called me out...I haven't been bashing Nazr lately and as long as he continues to do his garbage work well and stay out of the way on offense I will probably be pretty muted about him. Like I said...the Glen Robinson signing helped offset that trade too.I for one, as critical as I am of Pop, appreciate him for recognizing that liability and acting to head it off. Maybe you should to the same instead of getting your Malik Rose underoos in such a pinch.
Seriously.
If the only thing that's going to change your mind is the playoffs, why don't you quit ing until after they are over?
This is what Malik did, this season, off the bench, the week and a half before he was traded...
2/3: 19 points, 11 boards VS the Lakers
2/9: 19 points, 7 boards VS the Wizards
2/16: 12 points, 15 boards VS the Hornets
Who is the one who isn't in the present?
You are stuck in last season, but only the parts you want to be stuck in...and that's the only season you can use to even make a remotely strong argument in favor of this trade helping us win a le this year...and even that's more due to lack of PT than an actual decline in Malik's play.
LMAO! You called me out!
Just remember, Nazr hasn't proven he can do anything off the bench other than suck ass....and he has virtually no post season experience.
So because Malik had three good games in a row, that somehow trumps the rest of the season and last?
Neither did Buckets. Neither did the Golden Child Rose when he first got here. Neither did Manu when he helped lead us to the '03 le.he has virtually no post season experience.
Pop apparently should have sat their asses too, right?
Just remember, unless Nazr averages a triple double he'll never be good enough for the Rose Colored Glasses crowd.
I am not sure if Nazr has proved enough to start over Rasho yet
but I know if RASHO plays like a idiot pop could start Nazr over him in the second half and get good results now
Malik didn't play a single game this year as well as a defender, particularly as an interior defender, as Nazr did tonight. That's why Nazr is a better fit if he can keep bringing that D. Malik can't bring the D like Nazr can. If you can't see that Whott you're blind.
Coming from the guy talking endless after Nazr has 3 good games...
Ahh the ing irony.
We didn't have a choice.
Didn't have a choice and didn't have choice...Smitty had proven he sucked.Neither did the Golden Child Rose when he first got here. Neither did Manu when he helped lead us to the '03 le.
What?Pop apparently should have sat their asses too, right?
Link?Just remember, unless Nazr averages a triple double he'll never be good enough for the Rose Colored Glasses crowd.
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