Is there ANY possible way? (Big Dog)

[mouse]

one thing is clear, Pop is one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time and will be ranked in the top three when it's all over.

Funny how no one said that back when the Spurs got swept by the lakers in the semi finals

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Mouse, everybody defends players on their own team. If not, you wouldn't be brown-nosing on KVH or Stackhouse 24/7.

How is signing Malik to a big contract a lack of loyalty? He got paid and stopped playing well, but they still honored the contract. They traded Kerr to Portland and then traded to get him back, where he won another ring with them. After making him the highest paid player in the league for years, the Spurs were thinking David was going to take a paycut, like he had said a thousand times so the Spurs could sign free-agents, and when David started to cry to the press about it, they sacrificed DA to get David's deal done. Seems about as loyal as an NBA team can get.

Glenn Robinson has had at ude problems his entire career, including this year, which is why he was a) traded and released, b)available and c) a risk. We'll just have to wait and see if he implodes or if he jumps ship the first opportunity he gets. I never said Glenn Robinson owes anyone any loyalty, I just predicted that he would not be likely to show any to the Spurs, and warned people not to get their hopes up just because he's on the team right now.

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We didn't sign Robinson to help him turn his life around...we signed him for his J...it's a mutually beneficial deal for both of us right now...Robinson doesn't owe us any loyalty for playing for us for 75,000 dollars...

I think if he likes it here, for his own good, he might be willing to stay here...I don't think any loyalty is required for him...right now he's giving us the deal.

If it's good for him he might give us a deal...the point is that I think his decision will be about more than just $$$. He wants to get paid...but I don't think he wants to go back to the Hornets or Hawks...or Philly...he wanted out of those places even when he was getting paid.


To put it bluntly, Robinson is kind of a headcase and with headcases it's never totally about money...sometimes that's a good thing and somtimes it's not.

I agree with the above completely, other than the fact that I'm less optimistic that he'll realize that this team is good for him even if he can make more money somewhere else. Doesn't mean it isn't so, it just means he might not realize it. He's a bargain right now, and he certainly shouldn't have to play for the minimum just to stay on the team. If the Spurs can't come up with something compe ive I wouldn't blame him for leaving anyway.

[whottt]

Mouse, everybody defends players on their own team. If not, you wouldn't be brown-nosing on KVH or Stackhouse 24/7.

How is signing Malik to a big contract a lack of loyalty? He got paid and stopped playing well, but they still honored the contract. They traded Kerr to Portland and then traded to get him back, where he won another ring with them. After making him the highest paid player in the league for years, the Spurs were thinking David was going to take a paycut, like he had said a thousand times so the Spurs could sign free-agents, and when David started to cry to the press about it, they sacrificed DA to get David's deal done. Seems about as loyal as an NBA team can get.

Glenn Robinson has had at ude problems his entire career, including this year, which is why he was a) traded and released, b)available and c) a risk. We'll just have to wait and see if he implodes or if he jumps ship the first opportunity he gets. I never said Glenn Robinson owes anyone any loyalty, I just predicted that he would not be likely to show any to the Spurs, and warned people not to get their hopes up just because he's on the team right now.

You got a funny definition of loyalty, as well a as version of Spurs history with some glaring gaps in it......you have the one way definition of loyalty...it's really no point in arguing but just don't act like the Spurs are some bastion of loyalty...because they aren't. They make decisions based on $$$ just like everyone else...even when it comes to David Robinson..and you need to brush on Drob's history with this franchise and see who you think was more loyal to whom.

[mouse]

Mouse, everybody defends players on their own team.

Psssssst! Go to pages 7,6,and 5 you will see the get rid of Rasho, Mohammed and Manu posts. It that what you call defending your players ?

[whottt]

Any player that takes a contract with the Spurs for as much or less than he is being offered by just about any other team in the NBA is taking a paycut...The Spurs are the NBA's smallest market and it is a financially strapped one with limited endorsement money. Any player that takes a pat max deal here is taking a paycut.

If Malk Rose signed for the same with us as LA was offering him...he was taking a paycut..

[mouse]

hey asshole, I mean mouse

you had it right the first time

......big dog in a contract year, were MILLIONS hang in the balance=spurs in the finals.

Pssssst ! you can't buy your ring every year, Just ask Mark Cuban

read them and weep sucka.

I will read but If weep it will be from having to come in here reading 100 Pop has to go topics when you guys choke in the 2nd round.

[mouse]

You got a funny definition of loyalty, as well a as version of Spurs history with some glaring gaps in it.....

My definition is cut and dry, Either you support your team, owner, and fans, or you don't, You guys flip flop to much.

you have the one way definition of loyalty...

Thank you for the compliment

it's really no point in arguing

You got that right. I have a 12 pack of beer and I will bring out the Smack bat on your ass if you try and run smack.

but just don't act like the Spurs are some bastion of loyalty...because they aren't

tell that to AJ DA DA Rodman,,,,, must I go on?.
not to mention Bob Hill

They make decisions based on $$$ just like everyone else..

If that was true, why did Rose get all that $$ ? why? so you can trade him?

don't make me laugh any more than I am all ready. It comes down to who Pop likes and doesn't.



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even when it comes to David Robinson..and you need to brush on Drob's history with this franchise and see who you think was more loyal to whom.

Pssssst! David was loyal to his City ,fans, and his Family not to mention he wants to live here, I don't think It was about $$ he wanted a ring and knew tim Duncan was the key.

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You got a funny definition of loyalty, as well a as version of Spurs history with some glaring gaps in it......you have the one way definition of loyalty...it's really no point in arguing but just don't act like the Spurs are some bastion of loyalty...because they aren't. They make decisions based on $$$ just like everyone else...even when it comes to David Robinson..and you need to brush on Drob's history with this franchise and see who you think was more loyal to whom.

First of all, I wasn't the first one to mention the concept of loyalty. I mentioned that people who think he's going to sign for way under market value just because he loves us so much is kind of a pipedream. Second, you and I are in agreement on the reality of the way the NBA operates, other than you somehow think the Spurs treated Malik, Kerr and DRob badly somehow, but you don't really explain how. Third, how does paying a superstar more than any other player, including players who are better and players who win championships, show a lack of loyalty on the team's part?

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Funny how no one said that back when the Spurs got swept by the lakers in the semi finals

Not me.

I think the compe veness the Spurs maintain in the face of guys like Cuban who spend 2 to 1 to buy a championship or teams like LA who can attract talent because players can get sweet Nike deals and bang endless numbers of starlets is based on the tone set by Pop and the talent he's been able to acquire on the cheap. Some write it all off to the Spurs having the luck of getting Duncan. That helps but that's not nearly the whole story.

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My definition is cut and dry, Either you support your team, owner, and fans, or you don't, You guys flip flop to much.






Thank you for the compliment



You got that right. I have a 12 pack of beer and I will bring out the Smack bat on your ass if you try and run smack.




tell that to AJ DA DA Rodman,,,,, must I go on?.
not to mention Bob Hill





If that was true, why did Rose get all that $$ ? why? so you can trade him?

don't make me laugh any more than I am all ready. It comes down to who Pop likes and doesn't.



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Pssssst! David was loyal to his City ,fans, and his Family not to mention he wants to live here, I don't think It was about $$ he wanted a ring and knew tim Duncan was the key.

The above may be the most confusing mishmash of contradictions and inane opinions I've ever seen. BTW, whottt was responding to my post, not yours.

[whottt]

My definition is cut and dry, Either you support your team, owner, and fans, or you don't, You guys flip flop to much.

Who flip flops...Spursfans need to wake up and realize this franchise is no better or no more righteous than most of the other teams in the NBA. It's better run...but it's not some beacon of altruism...Spurs fans need to stop being so full of themselves.

You got that right. I have a 12 pack of beer and I will bring out the Smack bat on your ass if you try and run smack.

The smack bat is out of business

don't make me laugh any more than I am all ready. It comes down to who Pop likes and doesn't.

I think sometimes it comes down to how much Holt is willing to fork out...even if Pop wants otherwise. Pop wasn't the guy lowballing Parker this offeseason.



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Pssssst! David was loyal to his City ,fans, and his Family not to mention he wants to live here, I don't think It was about $$ he wanted a ring and knew tim Duncan was the key.

I know DRob was loyal, more loyal to the Spurs than vice versa...that's my point.

And if he had wanted a ring he would never signed here in the first place coming out of the Navy...

He didn't have to do that you know...the Lakers wanted him, I remember seeing him sitting by Jerry West in a playoff game when they were recruiting him.

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If the Spurs are continuing with their previous plans, GRob would have to take whatever MLE scraps are left from the Scola signing. There's a slight chance he could be talked into a wink-wink deal for more money once the Spurs have early-Bird rights on him, but my guess is he'd want to go somewhere he would play more minutes -- this would be one crowded swing rotation if everyone came back. I think at this point Devin is more of a long term priority for the Spurs and GRob is going to make the most of his mercenary run here, then go somewhere else to start or be sixth man.

And there is nothing wrong with that at all.

[mouse]

The above may be the most confusing mishmash of contradictions and inane opinions I've ever seen. BTW, whottt was responding to my post, not yours.

You know you may be right, Should I edit or just let it fly?

let me know dawg I am just here as a visitor it's your world brah.

[mouse]

The above may be the most confusing mishmash of contradictions and inane opinions I've ever seen.

I take it you don't read many of my posts

[whottt]

If the Spurs are continuing with their previous plans, GRob would have to take whatever MLE scraps are left from the Scola signing.

Maybe...then again maybe Glenn Robinson will show what made him a #1 pick and make himself a more attractive option for a championship repeat than a rookie.

There's a slight chance he could be talked into a wink-wink deal for more money once the Spurs have early-Bird rights on him, but my guess is he'd want to go somewhere he would play more minutes

I agree with you on the minutes...but you do realize that Big Dogg is younger than Bowen right?

There won't be any type of wink wink deal for early bird rights...that's just the MLE and it would take the full MLE to get him here for 1 year IMO.

-- this would be one crowded swing rotation if everyone came back. I think at this point Devin is more of a long term priority for the Spurs

I don't see the Spurs rushing to the bank to pony up a lot of $$$ for a guy with back injuries..they want Devin back...but they aren't going to sign him to a hefty $$$ deal with potential back problems like that.


Robinson may not be totally motivated to get the biggest contract he can get...but I can't see him taking anything less than the full MLE if he plays well in the playoffs...That's still taking a paycut probably.

and GRob is going to make the most of his mercenary run here, then go somewhere else to start or be sixth man.

And there is nothing wrong with that at all.

I agree.

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Did you just offer as evidence of David Robinson's loyalty is that he signed a contract with the team that drafted him with the first pick? Okay, I'm lost.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Spurs use the full MLE on GRob, these things would logically follow:

1) Devin signs with Denver.

2) Scola's rights are traded to someone who will sign him.

3) One of Manu/Barry/Bowen is traded.

Not one of these things -- all three. Just doesn't seem that likely.

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I take it you don't read many of my posts

LOL. Not yet, but I'm trying to catch up.

[mouse]

Who flip flops...

I take it your new here.

Psssst! start at page 20 and work your way back, you will see more fipping and flopping since the Kerry vs Bush Debates

Spursfans need to wake up and realize this franchise is no better or no more righteous than most of the other teams in the NBA. It's better run...but it's not some beacon of altruism...Spurs fans need to stop being so full of themselves.

may be the best post of the day, To bad it will never happen in my lifetime.

The smack bat is out of business

wow I had no idea. I lost all my links two months ago when I reformatted my HD to get rid of all the spy wear I picked up from Spurs report.

I think sometimes it comes down to how much Holt is willing to fork out...even if Pop wants otherwise. Pop wasn't the guy lowballing Parker this offeseason.

I have to agree with this, Do you work for the paper or the spurs?



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I know DRob was loyal, more loyal to the Spurs than vice versa...that's my point.

That is so true, If you look up the word loyal in the dictionary you should see his face.

And if he had wanted a ring he would never signed here in the first place coming out of the Navy...

I think you better check with red McCombs on that before you speculate.

He didn't have to do that you know...the Lakers wanted him, I remember seeing him sitting by Jerry West in a playoff game when they were recruiting him.

You make a good point I wonder if anyone knows the real reason he picked the Spurs. Kori?

Are you sure he had no choice?

[mouse]

Did you just offer as evidence of David Robinson's loyalty is that he signed a contract with the team that drafted him with the first pick? Okay, I'm lost.

Thats what I thought till I read this...

WhottI know DRob was loyal, more loyal to the Spurs than vice versa...that's my point.

And if he had wanted a ring he would never signed here in the first place coming out of the Navy...

He didn't have to do that you know...the Lakers wanted him, I remember seeing him sitting by Jerry West in a playoff game when they were recruiting him.

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Robinson has one invaluable commodity that management looks for. If he's on his game he forces very difficult, near impossible match-up problem for the opponent. If he shows he can play effective defense he's much more valuable than a re-signed Brown.

When Pop was asked about bringing in Scola he was not highly committal, something along the lines of "if we want him and if he wants to come".

[Al Sharpton]

What Mark Cuban did I am not happy with but At least I don't flip flop.

[Al Sharpton]

Not me.

I think the compe veness the Spurs maintain in the face of guys like Cuban who spend 2 to 1 to buy a championship or teams like LA who can attract talent because players can get sweet Nike deals and bang endless numbers of starlets is based on the tone set by Pop and the talent he's been able to acquire on the cheap. Some write it all off to the Spurs having the luck of getting Duncan. That helps but that's not nearly the whole story.

Come on Brah, are you saying after the spurs folded their tents and went home with their tails between their legs when the lakers punked your ass, you where not mad at Pop?

be honest,

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Nice to read a topic w/o The Wrtter aka Buddy holly telling someone to suck his .