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why trade scola's rights? Big Dog would have to do a of a job if he makes the playoff roster to warrant something like that...
As I was watching Big Dog make an effort on defense tonight I got to wondering is there any way we can get him on the roster next year? He's only 32 right? I think he has a big year next year.
What do y'all think he's going to get for a salary next year? MCE? More? If he'll take the MCE would the Spurs sign him and trade Scola's rights? What do y'all think?
why trade scola's rights? Big Dog would have to do a of a job if he makes the playoff roster to warrant something like that...
If Big Dog plays like he can wouldn't you take him over Scola? If we use up the MCE then we couldn't sign Scola. I assume Scola has his heart set on playing in the NBA next year and wouldn't want to wait around another year.
Who knows what happens with the new CBA though.
if he plays "like he can" i think there would be little chance of him accepting the MCE as he could get plenty more elsewhere.
For Glenn Robinson to command a quality vet salary again, he'll need more than a few bench minutes with the Spurs, and he'll have to hit some big shots in the playoffs. If the guy is smart, he'll take veteran's minimum and get some rings. He's gotta be sick of playing for ty ego ridden teams.
From the Spurs standpoint, they just need to get some buckets out of the guy while letting Bowen rest. If they can do that, and they can't resign Robinson, easy come, easy go. As far as Scola goes, there are too many unanswered questions about GRob's value to even think about that until after the playoffs.
I doubt the Spurs will get into a bidding war over him. If they can re-sign him for a few million over a couple years, they'll do it. If not, they'll move on to their next reclamation project.
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I never thought I'd say this but Glenn Robinson's defense was very good last night.
Why would GRob NOT be on the playoff roster?
timvp...I agree....GRob's "D" has been a very pleasant surprise......although sometimes he lapses on the "D", but for the most part his label of playing no "D" seems to be untrue......I think he would be a great backup to Tim in the playoffs.
It's obvious that Pop instilled a no D, no minutes policy with him that he believes. Because he's really never played D in his career and he actually was defensively crafty on a few possessions last night. Props to him for listening to the coaching staff and actually trying.
Glenn is a different kind of defensive "stopper". His foul on a player blowing past him absolutely stops the player dead in his tracks
Big Dogg has always been good at forcing turnovers. Always. And he's always been a better passer than he gets credit for. He's also not the ballhog people have painted him to be...AI, Ray Allen, Cassell, those guys, the ones calling him a ballhog, are the ballhogs.
But he is working harder on D than he ever has before...and I don't think it's something Pop is having to force him to do...I think Bigg Dogg just wants to turn his life and career around and win a ring in the process. I have to think he was well aware of this teams emphasis on D before the Spurs even contacted him.
As for what he will get offered...this guy prior to his stint with AI was a near franchise player that commanded double teams, had the best midrange in the game, was clutch, and could hit against anyone in any big game. Spurs fans should know this better than anyone because he has freaking owned us. He's a #1 pick...and lived up to that promise just based on his jumpshot.
IMO he will get offered way more than the Spurs have to offer...
But I think he's going to be very careful where he signs...I don't think he's just gonna go and take the first big check he gets and I think the Spurs might have a chance at getting him for the MLE for a year if that's what they want to do.
This guy has gotten paid in his career but it wasn't a source of happiness for him...You can hear the world weariness in his voice...this guy has deeper motivations than just getting paid. This guy was an unhappy man that wants to be happy..
This guy has been humbled by primadonnaish type stars, and by non interest from teams that would have killed to have him just a year ago.
I think that caused a lot of his personal problems...I think winning and having fun playing is very important to him at this stage of his career...He's not going to go into a bad situation just because the money is good. I don't know if that means he is willing to be a bench player and play for the MLE...but I think there is a chance he might for at least a year.
Last edited by whottt; 04-17-2005 at 12:02 PM.
If GRob wins a ring this year, he'll take the biggest contract he gets offered this summer.
If he doesn't, he might look favorably on coming back for another try at it.
I really think that's what it boils down to for the Big Dog right now.
I don't think it's that simple AHF...this guy had problems with alcohol...if he's cleaned up his act he's going to be very careful about where he signs with...I don't think he's just going to take the best offer he can get...
George Karl or the Sixers could offer this guy a max deal and IMO he would spit on it.
How is he going to turn his life around by playing defense?
Playing defense and winning a le helps him change his image from that of a selfish, lazy, cancerous ball hog...
Funny how sympathetic we want get of him when he wears silver and black. Not only will he bolt the first time he's offered anything decent, I think he'll sign with the team that offers him the most money, regardless of who it is. He's a huge bargain right now and everybody knows it, but it probaby ain't gonna last past this year.
Who is being sympathetic? It's just stating what he appears to be trying to do...
I was always sympathetic to his game...I never thought he was a ballhog or a bad passer...I was a Spurfan prior to last year and to anyone who was amd watced what Robinson did to us it should be obvious that those are bad raps on him. But you don't sign a player like Glenn Robinson for him to pass in the first place. I mean is Duncan a ball hog? I think he's averaging fewer APG for his career than Robinson...and Robinson was the Tim Duncan on his teams.
I don't think his motivations are purely financial because the mofo had a max contract and was talking about blowing his brains out...He's a lot more like Dennis Rodman than he is like Sam Casell or Sprewell. I am not saying that makes him a great guy or anything...but I don't think his motivations are purely financial.
What makes you think that the he won't accept a Spurs MLE offer.....we gave him that 2nd chance and no one else would even talk to him.....he feel loyalty to us....he seems to respect his new teammates so that may influence his decision as well.
If he does go elsewhere I would wish him luck.
I'd like to think that he would be grateful and loyal and all that, but he's showed over the course of his career that he isn't that, regardless of the fact that he played well against the Spurs a few times, no matter how many excuses we make for him. The Spurs will hold him to a higher standard while he's here, but leopards don't change their spots. I hope I'm wrong, because he could indeed find a home here. I'd love to see a re-energized Robinson on this team for the rest of his career. I'm just not optimistic about it, given who he is.
When did he show that?
Loyalty is a funny thing...team always want it but they don't give it and neither do fans...so why should players? I think Robinson tried to be loyal to the Bucks...they elected to go with Cassell and Allen instead...how'd that work for them? Those are the guys that just want to get paid...and that's why Milawaukee traded them.
Just show me a time Robinson has ever complained about money...no matter how many excuses we make for him. The Spurs will hold him to a higher standard while he's here, but leopards don't change their spots.
Who is he? On the court...I hope I'm wrong, because he could indeed find a home here. I'd love to see a re-energized Robinson on this team for the rest of his career. I'm just not optimistic about it, given who he is.
And how much loyalty should he show to us?
As much as we showed to Malik? To Steve Kerr? To David Robinson?
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Spur fans are to quick to kiss ass when a player shows promise,
They don't care if it is Karl malone or Kobe, as long as they think they can win a * free ring they will trade for del negro if they have to, All it takes is for Rasho or Manu to have a bad game and you guys are ready to talk trades for their ass's,
Now Big Dawg has a good game and your talking about next season?
Nigra please !
Let big dawg miss a game winning shot and you guys will racing your ass off to edit your posts in this topic.
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OK, I undertstand the comment about Malik.
But how did the Spurs screw over Kerr or David?
We didn't sign Robinson to help him turn his life around...we signed him for his J...it's a mutually beneficial deal for both of us right now...Robinson doesn't owe us any loyalty for playing for us for 75,000 dollars...
I think if he likes it here, for his own good, he might be willing to stay here...I don't think any loyalty is required for him...right now he's giving us the deal.
If it's good for him he might give us a deal...the point is that I think his decision will be about more than just $$$. He wants to get paid...but I don't think he wants to go back to the Hornets or Hawks...or Philly...he wanted out of those places even when he was getting paid.
To put it bluntly, Robinson is kind of a headcase and with headcases it's never totally about money...sometimes that's a good thing and somtimes it's not.
Last edited by whottt; 04-17-2005 at 01:16 PM.
They traded him to Portland.
Check out what happened the last time Drob was a free agent. We tried to chose DA over him..we would have chosen Chis Webber over him.David?
Rasho will be the next example...Rasho took a paycut to come here...if Nazr keeps improving watch what happens to Rasho. You'll be hearing "it's a business" quite a bit.
Don't know what Robinson may or may not do but one thing is clear, Pop is one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time and will be ranked in the top three when it's all over.
Guys come to the Spurs and do things they've never done before, good things, disciplined things, defensive things and it's largely because of the air Pop has created about the team, the expectations they know they must meet, the desire to please Pop and be professionals. Guys like Jackson, Hedo, Hart, Speedy, now Robinson and Nazr likely have built or resurrected careers and got well paid for it. Agents and players should be lining up at the door to get a chance to spend a year or two playing for Pop and the Spurs.
This from a fan of a team who gave away arguably the best point guard in the NBA right now... (behind Tony Parker, of course).
"He who lives in glass houses...."
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