My take on that elbow was completely different. The way I saw it Manu was ducking away from an elbow he knew was coming, not pretending that it landed. He knew it was coming because Buckner had just landed an elbow on him five seconds earlier. Ginobili knew he was under Buckner's skin so he crowded him, but Buckner threw it so hard I think it surprised him, so he fell. As far as I know, throwing an elbow like that, even if it doesn't land is, by rule, and automatic technical. They ruled no foul, and Buckner got off easy, considering that he's been anything but clean in this series.
All that said, it was ruled no call, and the Nuggets got the ball back, so Nuggets fans complaining about a flop that resulted in absolutely nothing makes no sense whatsoever.
Seriously that wasn't a flop, that was just common sense, he was about to get hit. Him avoiding the contact actually prevented a situation where buckner would have been immediately ejected.
Thats really the dumbest complaint I have heard about a flop in my life. It saved your player from an ejection.
ha! they're just scared of what gino can do to their team...
I was laughing so hard every time I heard them boo. It was great. That last three he hit was poetic justice.
It was beautiful!
Troy I thought he was flinching away from the bow, I had no idea Denver fans took it that way.
Buckners bow was what cheapened the game.
no ! we went crazy at my house with that last 3! that was the best!!!
Oh please. He looked as though he'd been shot out of a cannon. Ducking out of the way and flying like a Hollywood stunt man are two different things. Get real.
exactly.Oh, its beautiful. Like music to my ears. I'm sure he loves it too, means he's a superstar
Well, they knew this was their last chance to boo him this season, so they wanted to do it well.
"with that last 3"
I wanted yet another 3, even a missed shot, as the Spurs ran the clock out in the last possession.
The convention is for the winner not to try to score insulting in that situation, not to kick the loser when he can't get up, but the Denver fans are beyond conventions. When a born-champion and proven, repeat natural winner, a clean-playing, hustling compe ior, is playing incredible basketball to beat the out of you, you sit quietly and take it. But the Denver seat-fillers boo Manu the entire game as if he was some kind villain. What a ed up bunch of losers. The Nuggets and their fans deserve each other, and their 4th straight loss Wed night.
so, what should Manu have done, stood there and taken an elbow to the goddamn face??
that. in whiny ass biatch nugget fans.
Troy you are a fan that makes sense... so rather than try to dissuade you, I'll leave you with this:
Manu clearly avoids the elbow as he is trying to get in closer to Buckner, in pulling his face back, the whole body falls where the head is falling... But, never did Ginobili pretend to be hit in the face. Look at the replay, Ginobili doesn't touch his face in anguish, nor does he check his nose for blood (all signs of actually getting hit... or someone faking a shot to the face). He knew he wasn't hit.
The question then is... does Ginobili exaggerate his movements.??? Yes, he certainly does, but all of his movements are exaggerated... all of the them, ofensively, defensively, while driving, while blocking, while stealing... everyone of his movements is unorthodoxically exaggerated... even his quite comical step-back jumper... Because of his exaggerated corporal movements, he tries to run through screens with players he knows are still shuffling their feet... he's that much quicker... But that my friend... is savvy... and if he's willing to take the punishment...
Granted, I know for a fact Ginobili does flop at least once per game... but that particular play was not a flop.
I have it taped and have watched it several times. If you have it taped you'll see Buckner swung his elbow and Manu bent back. Buckner then leaned into a bent back Manu who fell the rest of the way over. It wan't until Buckner leaned into Manu's chest that Manu went down. If you have a replay refute that.
That elbow swing is a message "don't play me tight on defense". It's like a headhunters pitch to back a guy off the plate. If Manu had happened to lean forward at the same time Buckner swung there could have been some nasty results. It shoud be whistled. There's no place for it in the game.
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The boos were wonderful.
The Spurs were totally in those people's heads and under their skin.
Seriously Troy, I'm asking what was he suppose to do? Take the elbow to the face??
Have you taken note of the fashion in which Buckner has taken out his frustrations on Manu in this series? Manu has every reason to believe that the elbow was directed at his noggin and to protect himself. I don't think he had any intention of trying to get Buckner ejected -- had that been his tack, he would have argued with Danny Crawford vociferously after play was stopped.
If you respect hard-nosed play, you've got to respect Ginobili's lack of ing about the no-call on that play and his unwillingness to call for any suspensions after the Nugget three-way he took in the lane at the end of Game 3. Talk about unnecessary and unseemly!!
And again, you can complain about the officiating at the end of Game 3, but I don't recall the officials holding the Nuggets to 78 points. I thought it was interesting that Karl blamed everyone but his team for the last 2 losses.
PLEASE Tell me you guys are going to Boo COach Karl with all your heart and soul. What a horrible coach!!! Blaming it on the refs! You can't do that when you miss more then half of your free throws
Love ya Manu!!!
These are Manu's comments on the booing:
"I've never been booed so much before -I've always been the good guy of the movie. I heard some of it at the beginning of the game, but when one plays at the end doesn't really pay attention to it."
I hope the announcer tomorrow night pauses a little after calling Georgie Boy's name...I'll lose my voice boing that classless punk. I never had a problem with him before, but he sounds like someone in jeopardy of getting fired (AGAIN) by making all those excuses.
Wow, Denver fans are so cool...I mean, booing a player everytime he touches the ball just proves how cool you are.
If I were Manu, I woul enjoy the booing in Denver, it would make me kick their asses even more on the court.
I think Manu feeds off those boos.
exactly, Manu always feeds off of adversity. Denver fans could need a clue.
what i thought was absolutely ridiculous was one fan had a sign saying "Ginobili must be punished." What in the hek should he be punished for? He didn't even do anything. Just shows how classless those fans were acting.
Nugget fans, boo this :
How soon we forget. San Antonio offered the same treatment for Juwan Howard in Game 2 of the 2001 West Semis. From the May 8, 2001 Express-News: "Mavericks forward Juwan Howard got the reception everyone expected. He was booed every time he touched the basketball."
I'm not defending Denver fans, but I am saying that Spurs fans have done the same (albeit with far more justification).
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