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huh? kicking people out of the church for the sole fact they are democrats sounds political to me
This is a stupid topic to discuss. There are churches that have people handle rattlesnakes too. They're just as idiotic and have nothing to do with politics.
huh? kicking people out of the church for the sole fact they are democrats sounds political to me
They were not all democrats. Some were republicans that just did not agree with what this nut job was trying to do. What cracks me up is all you idoits that think because one idoitic pastor does this then all christians must agree and are card carrying members of the "Far Right Wing"
No I don't agree with what this guy did, but that does not mean all Christians have to be part of this movement. I, personally, get up and walk out when sermons become political in nature.
My other question is who owns this church? I am Catholic by faith and have never really understood who actually owns the Church when concerning other denominations. As for Catholics, we have a higher authority to whom we can appeal. Baptist on the other hand, have no such organizational hierarchy.
Did you read what I posted? The people with the snakes have nothing to do with politics. And the people kicking out the democrats are just as stupid.
of course i read it, maybe im not understanding your point. i thought your beef was this story didnt have anything to do with politics, which it does...but are you saying any of these groups are idiots and why get worked up about it?
There will always be some political element to churches everywhere, whether they are hardcore whitebread conservative churches in Tulia, Texas, or hardcore Democrat black churches in southern Dallas. Unless we are going to begin wiretapping sermons and levying fines or revoking tax exempt status, there's not much that can be done in most cases.
This definitely crosses the line, though, and I would expect some sort of reprocussions if the problem is not resolved.
nothing better than overgeneralizing based on a few random crazies
Unless gay man-boy sex is involved, then your only hope is the media.
We may kid each other, but I hardly think that anyone here seriously thinks that the Paster at this North Carolina church is the norm. However, with the introduction of HR 235 and with strong support from house members, the line that once separated church and state is becoming ever more blurred. What's next? Giving PAC's religious status?They were not all democrats. Some were republicans that just did not agree with what this nut job was trying to do. What cracks me up is all you idoits that think because one idoitic pastor does this then all christians must agree and are card carrying members of the "Far Right Wing"
The long-term effect is that this could back-fire on churches and religion. Look at the church of England. Having involved themselves in the muddleness of politics since its inception, they can't beg people to show up for services on Sundays anymore.
When a "liberal" says something like this they are branded an "elitist" by the wingnuts.....
What is it when the "conservative" says this?
I am ok with the preacher doing this. It's his right because he has the freedom to practice his religion how he sees fit. The people are free to find another church.
I am also for pulling out the magnifying glass and showing this pastor and his flock over and over again in the media.
That is simply employing a tried and true wingnut tactic. Find some extremist from the "other side" and repeat the story as often as possible while associating the nutjob with your political opponents.
Pastor Chandler should be invited to as many cable news shows as possible to share his vision with all of us.
He'd need sub les to be understood:
"Ah jes' thin'is Pesnit he'bin gib'n 'thordee f'm Gawd, an' 'f'eni'un he stan'gin's'm, 'at's'a Devil toggin'. S'I'ses, cas'm'out!!"
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
This goes to freedom of association...
I'm okay with all forms of discrimination so long as they aren't practiced by the government or anyone receiving funds, subsidies, or support from the government.
Period.
I don't see why people are getting worked up over something like that. But it raises a question. Do you have the right to participate in a religion that does not want you as a practicing member?
I would say no.
But, I also believe the Civil Rights Act of 1964 doesn't apply to privately owned businesses that do not derive any of their income from the government.
I also believe smoking ordinances ignore property rights...
and on and on we go.
Seems like you may get your wish...the wingnut has 'resigned'...Pastor Chandler should be invited to as many cable news shows as possible to share his vision with all of us.
NY TimesMay 10, 2005
Pastor Accused of Running Out Dems Quits
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 7:32 p.m. ET
WAYNESVILLE, N.C. (AP) -- A Baptist preacher accused of running out nine congregants who refused to support President Bush resigned Tuesday.
''I am resigning with gra ude in my heart for all of you,'' the Rev. Chan Chandler said as he left a closed-door meeting at East Waynesville Baptist Church.
Congregants of the 100-member church in western North Carolina have said that Chandler endorsed Bush from the pulpit during last year's presidential campaign and said that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry needed to ''repent or resign.''
The church members said he continued to preach about politics after Bush won re-election, culminating with a church gathering last week in which the nine members said they were ousted.
I expect Chandler will get picked up by FAUX News anyday now.
i could not even begin to verbally assault you enough to satisfy myself
just joined the topic.. but i think he can say whatever the he wants to, BUT the church should lose its tax privileges..
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