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i could see this happening, bush supporters should start their own sect of christianity
its gotta be a sin to think god has any political affiliation
Here is a link to a video of the malayEast Waynesville Baptist asked nine members to leave. Now 40 more have left the church in protest. Former members say Pastor Chan Chandler gave them the ultimatum, saying if they didn't support George Bush, they should resign or repent.
The state should not tell citizens how to worship and the church should not tell parishioners how to vote or parishioners who hold public office what policies they can and cannot implement.
Pastor Chandler has crossed the line. His church is now no more a house of worship than are offices of the North Carolina Republican Committee.
When officers of the state dictate religious belief, then it is time to remove them from the office whose power they have abused and the trust in which they have betrayed. When a church starts dictating political doctrine to the level of for which candidates one should vote, then it is time for parishioners of conscience to leave that church and for the state to revoke its tax exemption.
We should applaud the nine members who felt they had nothing to repent and just as much we should applaud the 40 members, who presumably voted for Bush last November, who stand with them.
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i could see this happening, bush supporters should start their own sect of christianity
its gotta be a sin to think god has any political affiliation
That's ed up. Yet another reason why religion disgusts me lately.
There is no excuse for what that pastor did.
I award this story my prestigious Idiot Cracker Monkey Moment Award.
I forgot....I thought Jesus stood for equality, peace, and love for ALL....
This is just sad....
Once again, you're confusing religion with belief.
Please allow me to be the first to state that I don't give a .
I'm sure Democrats will lather themselves into a frenzy with predictions that all us right-wingers are going to start dragging them out of their homes and throwing them into boxcars headed for the death camps.
This isn't true for all churches, but way too ing many have become nothing more than political action committees that serve communion.
Naw, us liberals are the ones who like public transportation. We'll probably get in the boxcars willingly.
yeah this story really shows what bas s those leftist democrats are
maybe on sundays they can just take day-vacations...no, no that wont happen
I'll have to mention that at the next meeting of the VRWC. We'll just tell the liberals it's the newest idea in mass transit.
Form the motion and I'll second it.
Conservative <> Christian Right.
Anyway, I think I'll go dig out one of those old stories on the WTO riots and hyperventilate about that. Because of course everybody on the left behaves like the rioters, right?
P.S. Waynesville is a freaking backwoods hole behind a mountain in Appalachia, ten minutes from Great Smokies National Park. Most of the people in that church have blue skin, no teeth, and are married to their siblings.
Upon review, I'm with SPARKY. This is nothing for people this far gone into crackerdom.
Left or right...who gives a ....If I'm mixing religion and belief than give me belief rather than some man made bull that facilitates political posturing. I'm sure God can give a about Liberals or Republicans.
Good. Let God deal with it.
[Baptist] English: If it's good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me! [/Baptist]
Well, I'm not that worried about the "political persecution" that's going on there. You wouldn't catch me in one of those hypocrite dens anyway. The real problem behind this story is that the woship of these people is being tainted. By making God into a Republican or a Democrat or whatever the preacher thinks he is, the church is really demeaning their own faith by putting God down on their own level. That kind of worship is meaningless. I hope that this helps some of the people sitting in the pews and listening to political propaganda instead of spiritual guidance wake up and realize what's been going on. Get some real religion or don't even pretend to have any. I don't give a what your political affiliation is. Don't try to create God in your own image.
haha. thanks to chan chadler for providing the funniest story of the day. what a up.
as for the people who were excommunicated (again, wow), they can find another church. i was a fairly religious person at one point in time and i changed churches on more than one occassion because of ideological differences. they'll be fine.
This would be much more laughable if House bill HR 235, with 165 co-signers were not intent on blurring the existing line between religion and politics.
Key Points - Understanding HR 235
Above all else, HR 235 is about recognizing the need to return a stolen right from our nation's houses of worship. Prior to 1954, churches were free to speak out about any and every topic - without government limitations.
Political pressure is building on a powerful House lawmaker to remove the so-called IRS "muzzle" that prevents religious leaders from endorsing political candidates from the pulpit.
More...Here is a small quote from a PDF file of bill HR 235
What they want to do is turn churches and those easily manipulated, into a part of the NeoConservative echo chamber that diseminates hate and intolerance, and all the while not pay taxes and hide contributions from key lobbyiest like Jack Abramham, Enron money sitting in off-shore accounts, and rebuilding money stolen from the people of Iraq and now sitting in foreign accounts<snip> No member or leader of an organization described in section 501(q) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (as added by section 2) shall be prohibited from expressing personal views on political matters or elections for public office during regular religious services, so long as these views are not disseminated beyond the members and guests assembled together at the service. For purposes of the preceding sentence, dissemination beyond the members and guests assembled together at a service includes a mailing that results in more than an incremental cost to the organization and any electioneering communication under section 304(f) of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (2 U.S.C. 434(f)). Nothing in the amendment made by section 2 shall be construed to permit any disbursements for electioneering communications or political expenditures prohibited by the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.</>
Nbadan, I understand your concern and agree that the motives behind it are less than noble, nonetheless, I can't deny that this is a legitimate free speech issue. I don't like to see clergy telling their parishoners how to vote, but you shouldn't be able to tell anybody when and where they can or cannot express their opinion.
Goodbye, nonprofit status.
very well put...right on the moneyBy making God into a Republican or a Democrat or whatever the preacher thinks he is, the church is really demeaning their own faith by putting God down on their own level. That kind of worship is meaningless....I don't give a what your political affiliation is. Don't try to create God in your own image.
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