Did Cuban made a mistake by not resigning Steve Nash?

[Phillip]

capitalize your "O" mother er

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

One of the most uninformed opinions Ive ever read.

When D'Antoni took over for Frank Johnson, Joe Johnson was a kid with huge confidence problems who couldnt average double digits a game.

That same season (before Nash), Joe started putting up 30 point games and near triple doubles.

Joe was phenomenal in his role with Nash, and to say he was a spot up shooter makes me believe you didnt even watch the Suns back then. Amazing how many floaters, isolations and post-fadeaways I remember from a dude who was just a spot up shooter.

I hated D'Antoni as much as the next guy, but to say that he wouldnt be the player he is today if he stayed in Phoenix is ridiculous, because he's pretty much the exact same player he was in Phoenix.

Well before Nash JJ had the ball in his hands a lot more, that wasn't what I was referring to. D'antoni was very capable of developing talent, he just chose not to.

JJ's individual game would have gotten progressively worse under D'antoni, just like Quentin Richardson's did, and just like Amare's game did. Amare's post game was in the ter when D'antoni left and he's finally starting to develop it. Quentin Richardson is now nothing more than a lazy fatass who camps 25 feet from the hoop and chucks 3's when he catches the ball. The same thing would have happened to JJ. Any individual offense JJ had begun to develop would have deteriorated under D'antoni.

[da_suns_fan]

Well before Nash JJ had the ball in his hands a lot more, that wasn't what I was referring to. D'antoni was very capable of developing talent, he just chose not to.

JJ's individual game would have gotten progressively worse under D'antoni, just like Quentin Richardson's did, and just like Amare's game did. Amare's post game was in the ter when D'antoni left and he's finally starting to develop it. Quentin Richardson is now nothing more than a lazy fatass who camps 25 feet from the hoop and chucks 3's when he catches the ball. The same thing would have happened to JJ. Any individual offense JJ had begun to develop would have deteriorated under D'antoni.

It just keeps getting better and better with you.

So when D'Antoni took over as JJ's coach, he was a kid who couldnt and wouldnt shoot from anywhere on the court.

Under 1.5 years of D'Antoni, Joe went from scrub to top-20 talent. Yet you think that this tremendous curve would have peaked and started to drift down under D'Antoni? He would have became lazy like Q and became a chucker? Do you KNOW what an idiot you sound like?

Just STOP POSTING.

Or better yet...Im just gonna stop reading. Your conclusions are RIDICULOUS. You make these matter-of-fact statements based off absurd assumptions (anything that happens to Q will happen to ALL players under Mike D) and even more absurd observations (to say that Amare lost a post game under Mike D....this post game never existed....Ive watched him his entire career from day one). You absolutely suck. You are an embarrassment to our fanbase.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So when D'Antoni took over as JJ's coach, he was a kid who couldnt and wouldnt shoot from anywhere on the court.

And like I said, player development was far more important during the 2003-2004 season than winning, so D'antoni had no problem letting him and Amare develop. From 2005-2008, was there any aspect of Amare's game other than his jump shot that had one iota of improvement?

Under 1.5 years of D'Antoni, Joe went from scrub to top-20 talent.

He was not a top 20 talent when he left the Suns, he averaged 15.6 PPG in 2005 and didn't even sniff the AS game, no one in their right mind considered him a top 20 talent back then. His 2004-2005 stats were nearly identical to his 2003-2004 stats.....he would have never developed into anything more than the 2005 JJ

Yet you think that this tremendous curve would have peaked and started to drift down under D'Antoni?

Yes I do, there's no way JJ would have been able to develop into the player capable of carrying a team to 50 wins (like the player he is now and clearly wasn't in 2005) when the ball is in Nash's hands 90+% of the time. D'antoni's system made it impossible for players to develop anything other than their spot up jump shot. While he was coach here, not one player developed their game in any way other than an improved jump shot.

He would have became lazy like Q and became a chucker? Do you KNOW what an idiot you sound like?

I can guarantee you I'm not enough of an idiot to honestly believe that you "hated D'antoni as much as the next guy" when you make excuses anytime there is ever criticism towards him. It's blatantly ovious you're a D'antoni apologist, regardless of how much you say you hated him, and you've got some inexplicable blind loyalty to him.

Or better yet...Im just gonna stop reading. Your conclusions are RIDICULOUS. You make these matter-of-fact statements based off absurd assumptions (anything that happens to Q will happen to ALL players under Mike D) and even more absurd observations (to say that Amare lost a post game under Mike D....this post game never existed....Ive watched him his entire career from day one). You absolutely suck.

You're telling me that you did not see Amare begin to develop a post game during the 2003-2004 season? You can't be serious. I remember a specific play that was compared to an Hakeem Olajuwon post move where he span off the dribble then dunked while his defender was frozen. He obviously was developing some kind of individual game seeing that he averaged 20+ points that season when the majority of games were played without a PG who could create anything. I'm not saying he ever was a completely polished post scorer but anyone with the IQ of snale could see him developing a post game during the 2003-2004 season.

[da_suns_fan]

And like I said, player development was far more important during the 2003-2004 season than winning, so D'antoni had no problem letting him and Amare develop. From 2005-2008, was there any aspect of Amare's game other than his jump shot that had one iota of improvement?


He was not a top 20 talent when he left the Suns, he averaged 15.6 PPG in 2005 and didn't even sniff the AS game...............................

Didnt even bother to read the rest..knew that stat was WRONG:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=1007

WTF? Did you just make that stat up?

[da_suns_fan]

Yes I do, there's no way JJ would have been able to develop into the player capable of carrying a team to 50 wins (like the player he is now and clearly wasn't in 2005) when the ball is in Nash's hands 90+% of the time. D'antoni's system made it impossible for players to develop anything other than their spot up jump shot. While he was coach here, not one player developed their game in any way other than an improved jump shot.

THIS is what Im talking about. Its as if youve never even seen the Suns play and just read stupid talking points from Suns haters on Spurs talk.

No one ever developed a game outside of a jump shot for D'Anotni? Are you ing kidding me?

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You are such a ING IDIOT. Just STOP TYPING.

btw - If you had a ing clue, you would know that Amare really improved his jump shot working with Frank Johnson. I wouldnt have given D'Antoni credit. But then again, youre ing clueless. Or Worthless. Probably both.

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Findog already explained that Nellie never leaves if Nash is still there, and yeah it had a lot to do with Avery Johnson, but they weren't going to make that defensive leap as long as Nash is on the team, and given how Nash clashed with a coach who liked to micro-manage anything, it's fair to say Nash and Avery wouldn't have been able to co-exist.

If Nash had stayed, there may not have been any need to make a defensive leap. Nash has been about as good a point guard as there is since he left, and has built himself a hall of fame worthy career. For all the good letting him go for nothing did them, it's pretty clear that the decision to do so because he was physically breaking down was a poor choice.

[da_suns_fan]

Bump.

Cuban chose Dampier over Nash and Dampier didnt even play tonight.

I thought Diop was more efficient against Duncan and I believe Haywood is more effective now.