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I just wish Stern had the balls to give the fans what they want (one on one at the All-Star game).
that co-rec skills exhibition and give me some street ball between NBA All-Stars.
The NBA used to have 1 on 1 compe ions in the mid 70's. I think Geoff Petrie won it one year.
I just wish Stern had the balls to give the fans what they want (one on one at the All-Star game).
that co-rec skills exhibition and give me some street ball between NBA All-Stars.
I remember when they did that. Don't recall Petrie, but do remember one final between Bob Lanier and Mike Newlin. Lanier won. A big man who can handle the ball and shoot is very tough in one on one.
Grew up in the town where Big Bob Lanier played college ball, St Bonnies. Saw him as a youngster many times. Bonnies his senior year made it to the NCAA finals. Unfortunately toward the end of the regional finals they were playing Villanova and Chris Ford roled into the back ofLanier's leg tearing up his knees. Bonnies went on to lose to Gilmores team in the semifinals and Bob went on to surgery.
Lanier was a of a player but would have been even greater if that knee hadn't been torn up taking away some of his explosiveness and mobility permanently.
Nikos, this is the second time I have heard you utter this, "Manu can't consistently create his own shot" nonsense...it's time for you to put the Gyro down son...
What in the do you mean Manu can't consistently create his own shot? No one in the NBA can guard Manu...period.
You mistake him not having to create his own shot, or preferring to take it into the teeth of defenses, with an inability to do so...And Manu hits a greater % of his jumpshots than Wade...
And I don't know why you think that a guy that plays with Shaq has to do a lot of creating of his own J anyway.
IMO, Shaq gets doubled more now than he has at any time in his career...not only is Shaq good at passing out of mutiple person defenses...but just standing on the court he opens lanes and creates a looseness of D for all of his teamates.....
Duncan is getting doubled less than at any time in his career...and Manu and Parker are the reason for it. In the true sense...Manu helps Duncan more than Wade helps Shaq...I don't think Wade helps Shaq as much as Kobe did...even thought I like Wade better.
Wade is more integral to the Heat's success? Wade got his ass kicked at the end of the season without Shaq.
Don't confuse the Shaq effect with individual dominance...Wade would not be as good numbers wise without Shaq...Manu would put up better numbers without Duncan.
Secondly...Manu's athelticism is very under-rated...contrary to popular belief...there are players in the NBA that play just as hard as Manu...they aren't capable of taking over games as well as he is because they lack his athleticism...Manu is not really that polished of a player...all of his game comes from his athleticism and his smarts...
Manu has had the ability to be an elite player in two very difference styles of basketball..and if you dropped Manu into a streetball game he would be an elite player in the arena as well...
People need to recognize just how good Manu is...enjoy his game while he is in his prime...because he's not going to have a long career...
Last edited by whottt; 05-11-2005 at 02:05 PM.
If I want to watch 1 on 1 I'll root for the Wizards or the Celtics. Why don't we just have a compe ion to see who can eat the most caramels? That has about as much to do with their value playing a team sport.
Street ball is less interesting to watch than breakdancing.
No way dude, he wouldn't last 1 game before being hospitalized
Forget those matchups, what about Shaq vs. Boykins? Boykins would own him.
You need to go back and watch the Denver series...and watch the payback Manu gave Bucker after Buckner was throwing elbows...I believe it was game 2 where Buckener got a bony ass elbow moving at high velocity shoved up his snout...
You must have missed the Karl quote where he said Manu gives out as much as he gets....Karl was right on that...Manu does. He's just so good at it he looks like he is the one being victimized.
Okay, if it's one on one I want Bruce Bowen vs. Ray Allen. No refs. Steel cage.
Who cares about a 1 on 1 matchup, Manu owns ALL in Horse!
Have u ever seen a real street ball game???
and I'm not talking about those gay and-1
Has no-one noticed Manu is shooting 52.4% in the Playoffs?
That's better than Wade AND Shaq!
(although, strangely enough, not better than Eddie Jones who's shooting 56% (48.7% 3 pts).
Have you ever seen 7 foot 300lb Jerome James whipping his elbow upside Manu's head for taking it to the hole on him? How often do you see guys that size in a street ball game?
Manu's tougher than he looks and he does know how to give it out, they might get in one cheap shot and that's it...Underestimate him at your own risk.
It is only 7 games, but Manu's Point Per Shot (PPS) are off the charts!!
I don't know if you have realized, but he leads all players in the playoffs with 1.84. This is so skewed for a guard in the playoffs that it is almost a statistical anomaly.
Some people in this board don't realize how good he really is.
In that last Houston game Manu's D on TMac made TMac look like he was still in highschool...you don't do that to TMac without athleticism...you also don't adapt your game as often and as effectively as Manu does without it....Manu's not that polished of a player...nearly everything he does is because of athleticism, and his smarts...
if the Spurs played the Heat in the finals, Ginobili would see the majority of the minutes guarding wade.
Parker owuld guard Eddie Jones, wich is fine, cause Eddie stands back for the threes, parker can keep up on the perimiter.
Im trying not to think of Suns or Heat or Pistons matchups, but when your rollin along like this its hard not to!!
Manu is my favorite player, but his game requires refs and to get to the line a lot. Streetball is not refereed the same so he would get his ass knocked down everytime and even might get hurt. That's the only way you can stop him.
It's called Spursfans disease...a lot of bandwaggoners that lack true knowledge of their game they parrot takes from ESPN etc in an attempt to sound knowledgable and unbiased...they take the view on their own players that those idiots in big media have that hardly even watch the games......If they stop listening to ESPN and listen to what the players and coaches say, and watch the games of the players involved, they might have more respect for Manu and realize that Manu would ing school, note, I didn't just say "school" I said " ing school", Dwayne Wade, at this stage of their careers.
Dwayne Wade is Vanilla, not bad, but a very rudimentary game...
Manu is flat out nasty.
Ginobli hands down!
Wasn't Wade on the Olympic team?
History will tell,but Ginobli makes and breaks plays;he's a differrence maker;with or without Duncan.Ginobli will double pump fake a three,fake going in to the hoop,then fake a foul,throw himself to the ground while scoring and then go to the free throw line,hit the back of the rim,rebound it and then fake losing the ball,recover it,then dunk it on Wade!
GINOBLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!
I did eat a Gyro today
Anyhoo, I said Manu can't consistently create his own JUMPSHOT. There is a difference.
You ever see him take jumpshots with the shot clock winding down? A lot of times they don't even get to the rim (like in the first half last night and a few other times this season). Difference is Wade can hit those consistently (let alone just be a threat to make them).
Of course Manu can create his own shot, but more often then not it is a drive to the basket. NOT a jumpshot.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Maybe he could do a better job of it if he was allowed to hog the ball, but I just have not seen Manu hit the jump shot off the dribble consistently (at least with the shot clock winding down).
For players who play a lot of minutes and is also 2nd/3rd option for his team....that is an awesome start so far.
But why aren't you going by the PSA (that factors in FT's)?
Sure you do not have this disease?
Last edited by Nikos; 05-11-2005 at 02:56 PM.
One question this brings to mind. Would Wade ever even get a single rebound in a 1-1 game? Manu is so freakishly fast that he can curl around any player, to get to the ball.
What are Dwayne Wade's or Shaq's by comparison? Where can you find a PPS listing?
hmm...I never knew Wade was 6'4"....
Ginobili is white, which means he's not a good athlete and would get killed by all the brothers, because we know only they can play basketball. We, as educated and enlightened white people, acknowledge that and are so okay with it we announce it as though it's just an understood fact. Ginobili dunking on the entire Suns team after playing for 50 minutes doesn't mean he has any toughness or athletic ability. Instead, Gino, as a white guy has to rely on his smarts, so he draws fouls, and he couldn't possibly compete or find a way to win otherwise.
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