Texas A&M turns down PAC10 offer.

[redraiderinfiji]

and where is Tech? Your whole University is a joke. Besides your recent football all your other major sports are a joke and now you fired the only thing you had going for you (mike leach). The city of lubbock reeks like and all the rejects who got denied access to UT and A&M become delusional in thinking that you are somehow apart of this Texas football rivalry when in reality nobody gives a rats ass about your irrelevant ins ution. Now go put on your Polo gear and join every other frat got your university produces in continuing your higher education on "How to get rid of an STD".

Lets talk about now....

You mention "texas football rivalry".....the ags have not been a "rival" of anyone for a long time. The meaning of "Rivalry" means that both teams have the chance of winning. The ags have been a rival of no one for the last decade. So, your first argument blows....

Next, yes tech is not harvard. I dont claim it to be that.....

Last, I sense jealousy in your words. The ags have blown for a long time. Just accept it. Trying to say that "my school is better than yours" is an arguement that has no merit here.

This is about sports, and unless I have been in a decade-long coma, the ags have gotten their asses kicked for longer than they will ever admit. Deep down, you know your sports have blown.....

Dont be an aggie ....grab whatever balls you have (whatever you have left over that the lambs have not chewed off) and take it like a man.

[samikeyp]

The money in the Pac-16 is not guaranteed to be better than the renegotiated contract in the SEC. Don't you think if A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, and Ok State went to what is already the best football conference in the nation, they would get a monster television deal (more so than could be reached with a 'Pac-16')?

And Texas is concerned about money, I agree. They've built their program into one of the most successful athletic departments in the nation. When you have that much, you fear losing it; I think they look at the SEC and see one team after another that could beat them 'any given Saturday,' ruining their hopes of a championship (especially based on the way the BCS works right now). By going to the Pac-16 instead, they have a much greater chance of avoiding those losses and of being a more likely contender every year.

My hope is that in going to super-conferences, we will soon see some form of playoff system, which would lessen chance of being eliminated from contention for a championship just because you played a tough schedule and happened to lose a game or two along the way. If Texas wants a massive money deal, they should join what is already the best conference in the nation with A&M, OU, and Ok State and push for a playoff system. I don't see how the returns could get much bigger than with an SEC that added those teams.

Well said and if that went down...the SEC would almost be illegal because of how nasty it would be. However, I still don't think anyone is "scared" of each other or other schools. I guess the point I was trying to make was that moves won't be made out of fear, they will be made with dollar signs in mind.

[DesignatedT]

Lets talk about now....

You mention "texas football

I'm having trouble following you? Are you already poppin pills or smoking grass?

[redraiderinfiji]

Sensitive aren't you?

[Thompson]

You aren't fooling anyone, raider. Your sheep is wearing tech colors.

[Blake]

From the language in the other thread it sounds like they wouldn't play

They won't play because Texas would end the relationship as to not give SEC any more exposure in Texas per sources.

yeah, it is sounding like UT is saying "if you don't come with us, you arent going to play us."

a little surprising, imo.

I wonder what would happen to the RR rivalry if OU also went to the SEC....

[samikeyp]

yeah, it is sounding like UT is saying "if you don't come with us, you arent going to play us."

a little surprising, imo.

I wonder what would happen to the RR rivalry if OU also went to the SEC....

Good question.

That would be a of a OOC schedule if they kept A&M and OU.

[DMX7]

They are welcome to join us. Follow us to the SEC, it's where Oklahoma wants to go anyway and is a heck of a lot closer than California, Oregon etc.

The SEC is not where Oklahoma wants to go. There is no reliable evidence of that.

The only reasons A&M wants to go to the SEC is reduce travel costs since its AD is nearly bankrupt and because it wants to escape UT's shadow.

That, or schedule an out-of-conference game, Texas will surely need it to improve their strength of schedule in the Pac-16 (minus USC for a few years).

I don't think Texas is afraid of us now, but they're sure as heck afraid of the SEC, and we might be stronger after a few years of struggling. I wouldn't be that surprised to see us beat Texas this year, for that matter.

Texas doesn't need to improve it's OOS. It's conference schedule won't look too different from what it used to.

Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas Tech
Arizona
Arizona St.
Kansas
Colorado
+ anyone from Washington to USC (which landed a major recruit two days after all the penalties were announced and will be bowl eligable one or zero seasons after the Pac16 starts).

I don't think Texas is afraid of us now, but they're sure as heck afraid of the SEC, and we might be stronger after a few years of struggling. I wouldn't be that surprised to see us beat Texas this year, for that matter.

Texas is probably afraid of letting the SEC teams get exposure in Texas and starting to steal recruits from here. That's exactly what A&M needs, is more compe ion for recruits in Texas. More compe ion from schools with low academic standards for their athletes and dirty recruiting tactics (just ask Tommy Tub over at ITT Tech) will not make A&M stronger.

[DesignatedT]

Lets talk about now....

You mention "texas football rivalry".....the ags have not been a "rival" of anyone for a long time. The meaning of "Rivalry" means that both teams have the chance of winning. The ags have been a rival of no one for the last decade. So, your first argument blows....

Next, yes tech is not harvard. I dont claim it to be that.....

Last, I sense jealousy in your words. The ags have blown for a long time. Just accept it. Trying to say that "my school is better than yours" is an arguement that has no merit here.

This is about sports, and unless I have been in a decade-long coma, the ags have gotten their asses kicked for longer than they will ever admit. Deep down, you know your sports have blown.....

Dont be an aggie ....grab whatever balls you have (whatever you have left over that the lambs have not chewed off) and take it like a man.

Take it like man? what do you mean? Do you think I don't know that our football program has been less than mediocre for the past decade? Yes I understand this... I guess you should be embarrassed that such a " ty" program who has "no rivals" are still getting invites from the most compe ive and profitable conference in all of football while your prestigious program rides the coattails of UT. No matter what your school or football program accomplishes it doesn't matter, You will always be irrelevant to anyone who actually matters.

[samikeyp]

The only reasons A&M wants to go to the SEC is reduce travel costs since its AD is nearly bankrupt and because it wants to escape UT's shadow.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record..

A&M is not sitting there saying "we need to get away from UT", they are saying "How do we make the most money"

[DesignatedT]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record..

A&M is not sitting there saying "we need to get away from UT", they are saying "How do we make the most money"

A&M definitely prefers to stay with Texas IMO but have made it clear that it's willing to cut ties if the pac10 is the only alternative. If Texas really wants to try and salvage the BIG12, I'm sure that it could happen if the conference can somehow get the $$$.

[Thompson]

Texas is probably afraid of letting the SEC teams get exposure in Texas and starting to steal recruits from here. That's exactly what A&M needs, is more compe ion for recruits in Texas. More compe ion from schools with low academic standards for their athletes and dirty recruiting tactics (just ask Tommy Tub over at ITT Tech) will not make A&M stronger.

I think A&M will be able to increase their recruiting with kids who want to play in the SEC but suddenly have a chance to play in Texas while doing it. While we might be at a slight recruiting disadvantage when it comes to our higher academic standards, I think there are enough recruits in Texas that we can let other schools take the lower GPA kids and we will have an additional selling point with the higher GPA kids' families that we offer the chance to play in the SEC, stay in Texas and get a good education. Some think we won't benefit, some think we will. We'll know for sure in 5-10 years.

[Blake]

More compe ion from schools with low academic standards for their athletes and dirty recruiting tactics (just ask Tommy Tub over at ITT Tech) will not make A&M stronger.

huh?

[DMX7]

If Texas really wants to try and salvage the BIG12, I'm sure that it could happen if the conference can somehow get the $$$.

Of course, but it's not going to happen. That's part of the reason why teams are leaving in the first place.

I think A&M will be able to increase their recruiting with kids who want to play in the SEC but suddenly have a chance to play in Texas while doing it. While we might be at a slight recruiting disadvantage when it comes to our higher academic standards, I think there are enough recruits in Texas that we can let other schools take the lower GPA kids and we will have an additional selling point with the higher GPA kids' families that we offer the chance to play in the SEC, stay in Texas and get a good education. Some think we won't benefit, some think we will. We'll know for sure in 5-10 years.

I think you're severely overestimating the number of Texas kids with high GPA's who "want to play in the SEC". And I'm sure those who do will definitely pick A&M when they go on recruiting visits and watch LSU and Alabama thump you by 40.

[DesignatedT]

Being the lone SEC team will definitely help recruiting for A&M. Thing is by staying in the BIG12 or PAC10 with UT and OU, The Aggies will never be able to get out of those guys shadow and match the recruiting efforts of those schools. Yes of course A&M still pulls in great talent to put together good seasons and maybe occasionally compete for a big 12 le but that's it.

By going SEC A&M will distance themselves from those 2 schools and being the lone SEC team in Texas will help tremendously in recruiting by giving the Texas kids a chance to stay in Texas and play with the best conference in the country. Whether or not this will be successful or not only time will tell but I am damn proud of the Aggies for at least considering this move and exploring the options to get out of UT's shadow. Now if UT will agree to play an OOC game every year with the Aggies then that would be absolutely perfect.

[DMX7]

huh?

I was just kidding about the name calling, but Tommy Tuberville had this to say on A&M potentially joining the SEC per 610 Radio in Houston:

They better be real careful if they make the decision to join them (SEC) and cross the Mississippi (River). They play by a different set of rules. It's a different brand of football. They recruit a different way down there. They don't know what they're getting themselves into.

[Blake]

Being the lone SEC team will definitely help recruiting for A&M. Thing is by staying in the BIG12 or PAC10 with UT and OU, The Aggies will never be able to get out of those guys shadow and match the recruiting efforts of those schools. Yes of course A&M still pulls in great talent to put together good seasons and maybe occasionally compete for a big 12 le but that's it.

By going SEC A&M will distance themselves from those 2 schools and being the lone SEC team in Texas will help tremendously in recruiting by giving the Texas kids a chance to stay in Texas and play with the best conference in the country. Whether or not this will be successful or not only time will tell but I am damn proud of the Aggies for at least considering this move and exploring the options to get out of UT's shadow. Now if UT will agree to play an OOC game every year with the Aggies then that would be absolutely perfect.

I don't think you have much of a clue of how good A&M's recruiting has really been the last decade.

It's the coaching that has sucked.

I don't see A&M's recruiting getting any better. In fact, if UT boycotts A&M from future compe ion, I can see it getting slightly worse.

[Blake]

I was just kidding about the name calling, but Tommy Tuberville had this to say on A&M potentially joining the SEC per 610 Radio in Houston:

They better be real careful if they make the decision to join them (SEC) and cross the Mississippi (River). They play by a different set of rules. It's a different brand of football. They recruit a different way down there. They don't know what they're getting themselves into.

couldnt care less about the name calling. Just was wondering what you were referring to regarding the dirty recruiting tactics...

the irony there is that OU has played dirty while in the Big XII and we have USC that is currently getting bent over the NCAA for it.

[DesignatedT]

I don't think you have much of a clue of how good A&M's recruiting has really been the last decade.

It's the coaching that has sucked.

I don't see A&M's recruiting getting any better. In fact, if UT boycotts A&M from future compe ion, I can see it getting slightly worse.

I know everything about our recruiting especially in the past 5 years. While are players are considerably better than what Texas Tech and others pull in it is not near the caliber that UT and OU recruit.

And of course Fran was terrible for A&M but when Sherman was hired this program was in total disarray. Our players outside of a couple were terrible which lead to Sherman playing 16 true freshman and 7 redshirt freshman. breaking an NCAA record.

Playing in the best conference in football will definitely help recruiting. I don't see how anyone would say different. Also, Texas and A&M will continue to play IMO.

[Kermit]

I don't think you have much of a clue of how good A&M's recruiting has really been the last decade.

It's the coaching that has sucked.

I don't see A&M's recruiting getting any better. In fact, if UT boycotts A&M from future compe ion, I can see it getting slightly worse.

/Franchione'd

Looks like the Legislature is now getting involved.

[Kermit]

I know everything about our recruiting especially in the past 5 years. While are players are considerably better than what Texas Tech and others pull in it is not near the caliber that UT and OU recruit.

And of course Fran was terrible for A&M but when Sherman was hired this program was in total disarray. Our players outside of a couple were terrible which lead to Sherman playing 19 freshman. breaking an NCAA record.

Playing in the best conference in football will definitely help recruiting. I don't see how anyone would say different. Also, Texas and A&M will continue to play.

No, they won't. This will not happen if the two schools part. Sorry to burst your wet dream. But now that the Legislature is getting involved, the Big 12 will probably exist for a little while longer.

[samikeyp]

Looks like the Legislature is now getting involved.

That sucks.

[Kermit]

That sucks.

Yes. Yes it does. They have a hearing on wednesday and everyone is being stongly encouraged to attend. Not only that, but they're bringing in experts in the field of television revenue. Practically every university president in Texas is attending. Should be the opposite of fun.

[DesignatedT]

No, they won't. This will not happen if the two schools part. Sorry to burst your wet dream. But now that the Legislature is getting involved, the Big 12 will probably exist for a little while longer.

I don't think you should be so sure of yourself. Texas can threaten all they want but if the 2 teams split the amount of pressure the legislators and alumni from both schools will show to have this game played will be outrageous. Especially if A&M would be willing to play it. Either way its all speculation so far and I never threw out the possibility of the Big12 staying intact. A&M showing Texas they are willing to split reinforced Texas' desire to stay in the Big12. Well see if the conference has what it takes.

[Blake]

I know everything about our recruiting especially in the past 5 years. While are players are considerably better than what Texas Tech and others pull in it is not near the caliber that UT and OU recruit.

Few are.
I don't know what makes you think that by getting crushed every year by Alabama, Georgia and Auburn instead of UT, OU and Tech that recruiting will suddenly rise up to that top 5 level consistently.

Playing in the best conference in football will definitely help recruiting. I don't see how anyone would say different.

Ask Arkansas how things have gone since they left.

Also, Texas and A&M will continue to play.

50-50, imo.