Man Shot In Head At Quarry Market Dies

[cherylsteele]

Oh please. You're saying you wouldn't be screaming bloody murder if you had your hand caught in a door and the driver took off?

I never said I wouldn't scream...we are talking about an officer....we have no idea according to the artcile in question.

Preceding sentence in my post, "I'll make an assumption here..."

And you rake posters over the coals for doing the same?

But, even if it didn't, I can assure you the constable didn't reach for his gun first. He tried to free his hand, and after being unsuccessful, he started trying to stop the car.

And how do you know this...you just said you were assuming....you can't guarantee what may have happened in the heat of the moment.

You're making the assumption the masturbator just took off.

I never said that.....don't put words in my mouth/post.

Oh please. You're saying you wouldn't be screaming bloody murder if you had your hand caught in a door and the driver took off?

I would....but we aren't talking about me are in this incident are we?

How clear is your head while your pinned to a moving, accelerating vehicle? If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's the cop.

I am not doubting the officer's actions....but you do know when an incident like this happens questions will be made along with the officer being routinely investigated.

STOP CHERYL! STOP, I'M ING TRAPPED IN THE DOOR!!!?" Are you that dense and unaware?

Again you assume the officer actually yelled.......if it was me you would not catch me doing something personal like that in a parking lot in the place.....so it would not have happened.....but I would have stopped if it was me.....unless you were a car-jacker or something.

It was mentioned that the officer was OFF-DUTY......if he was out of uniform how do not know that the suspect thought that the officer was not some kind of hijacker something.....since you want to speculate.
I could have happened just the way you say....but we don't know this do we?
We have no idea of the officer actually follow the proper procedure....that should be figured out in the near future.

[The Ressurrected One]

I never said I wouldn't scream...we are talking about an officer....we have no idea according to the artcile in question.

Having viewed a few such videos, taken from the dash cams of patrol vehicles, I'm relatively certain the constable was screaming...

And you rake posters over the coals for doing the same?

Hey, at least I preceded the statement with the caveat it was an assumption...no one else did. I felt there was balance needed. Sue me.

And how do you know this...you just said you were assuming....you can't guarantee what may have happened in the heat of the moment.

Once again, experience. There was no reason to reach for his gun until he felt threatened. I suspect that had he reached for his gun instead of putting his hand in a position to be trapped, everyone would be alive..

I never said that.....don't put words in my mouth/post.

Fine, but the general consensus in the forum seems to be this all happened in a matter of seconds. I personally believe it happened over the course of at least a couple of minutes.

I would....but we aren't talking about me are in this incident are we?

Yeah, well, we're all human.

I am not doubting the officer's actions....but you do know when an incident like this happens questions will be made along with the officer being routinely investigated.

Seems to me the majority of the board was jumping to the conclusion the officer acted inappropriately. "sneaking up on," and such...

Again you assume the officer actually yelled.......if it was me you would not catch me doing something personal like that in a parking lot in the place.....so it would not have happened.....but I would have stopped if it was me.....unless you were a car-jacker or something.

I'd bet the masturbator's life on my belief the officer yelled...

It was mentioned that the officer was OFF-DUTY......if he was out of uniform how do not know that the suspect thought that the officer was not some kind of hijacker something.....since you want to speculate.
I could have happened just the way you say....but we don't know this do we?
We have no idea of the officer actually follow the proper procedure....that should be figured out in the near future.

State Troopers and Austin Peace Officers work off-duty jobs in their uniforms. You'll probably find that's the case in San Antonio as well.

I think my understanding of the incident will be found to be closer to reality that yours...that's all.

[King]

unless you were a car-jacker or something.

bahahaha...car jacker.

On another note, your "well...yeah....I would scream, but how do we know that he was screaming? How did the guy know there was a 185 lb man hanging from his car?" points are pretty asinine. I know if a pebble bounces off the car when I'm driving...I damn sure know if a person is dragging alongside it.

[Useruser666]

All these arguments are based off assumptions. I'm sure the guy wacking off didn't expect to be shot in the head, and I'm sure the cop didn't expect to be dragged by the car or shoot a guy in the head when they started their respective days.

[Clandestino]

another possible scenario:

cop asks dude to step out of the car, dude refuses, cop attempts to arrest, dude slams door on car tries to drive away, cop shoots dude in head..

i love how many posters in here always side with the perpetrators in here. whether it is a child rapist, murderer, whatever... the criminal always get the support from many in here...

[SpursWoman]

i love how many posters in here always side with the perpetrators in here. whether it is a child rapist, murderer, whatever... the criminal always get the support from many in here...

I was kind of thinking the same thing.

Funny how someone with a prior gets caught....again.....it's always the law enforcement official that just has to be the one who somehow ed up or acted inappropriately.

And "snuck up" on him? Oh, please. The guy was jacking off. You probably could have came at him with a marching band from a mile off and he wouldn't have noticed.


@ car-jacking, btw.

[MannyIsGod]

Who's siding with him?

Like I said, I'm not a cop, but I think he ed up. According to RO, the cop may have done what he did because "he was just jerking off". Last time I checked, my mexican ass has been thrown into the back of a police car during a traffic stop before for no reason other than a cops "saftey", yet now cops are making judgement calls about people they know nothing about?

Yeah, I'm not siding with the guy in any way, and he's the only one to blame in this situation. But you're mistaken if you think the cop took the right move in this situation. If the guy refused to come out of his vehicle, he should have pulled his weapon on him and called for backup instead of putting himself in danger by assuming the guy wasn't dangerous. Because well, it turned out he was.

I simply don't see a scenario where you put yourself in danger like the cop did is part of protocall. And I the outcome of the actions makes my point pretty damn well.

[The Ressurrected One]

Who's siding with him?

Like I said, I'm not a cop, but I think he ed up. According to RO, the cop may have done what he did because "he was just jerking off". Last time I checked, my mexican ass has been thrown into the back of a police car during a traffic stop before for no reason other than a cops "saftey", yet now cops are making judgement calls about people they know nothing about?

Yeah, I'm not siding with the guy in any way, and he's the only one to blame in this situation. But you're mistaken if you think the cop took the right move in this situation. If the guy refused to come out of his vehicle, he should have pulled his weapon on him and called for backup instead of putting himself in danger by assuming the guy wasn't dangerous. Because well, it turned out he was.

Nice Monday-morning quarterbacking there, Manny.

I simply don't see a scenario where you put yourself in danger like the cop did is part of protocall. And I the outcome of the actions makes my point pretty damn well.

Every scenario puts a cop in danger. There are no routine suspect contacts...

[MannyIsGod]

Aren't we all Monday Morning quaterbacking? What else do you call what everyone is doing in here?

I realize that cops are in danger on a regular basis, but thats exactly why they have the procedures they have. It's done in order to minimize danger.

Anyhow, I've made the point, arguing it any further would be redundent.

[2centsworth]

Aren't we all Monday Morning quaterbacking? What else do you call what everyone is doing in here?

I realize that cops are in danger on a regular basis, but thats exactly why they have the procedures they have. It's done in order to minimize danger.

Anyhow, I've made the point, arguing it any further would be redundent.

Manny is just continuing his chronic cyncism of white people and government.

[Useruser666]

From the facts stated in the article, there is nothing that says the cop did anything wrong. He could have gone "Lethal Weapon" on the guy, or followed every procedure in the book. We don't know either way.

[MannyIsGod]

I didn't say a damn thing about the crackas, or government for that matter. I questioned the actions of an individual, geez.

[Extra Stout]

The story is short on details. I find it interesting that people subconsciously fill in the blanks in ways consistent with their political beliefs, in order to make this look either like a justifiable shooting or a case of police brutality. Good mental exercise.

[SpursWoman]

All I know is Alamo Heights Little League was ablaze with the story (the fields are very close to the Quarry). It was funny watching the Gucci moms whispering the details in each others ears.....

"OMG! He was masturbating in the parking lot!?!?!?"


It's very sad, regardless....and a stupid way for 2 people to be seriously hurt & killed.

[The Ressurrected One]

Aren't we all Monday Morning quaterbacking? What else do you call what everyone is doing in here?

Well, as for me, I was offering reasonable, logical, and historically accurate alternative scenarios to the knee-jerk bull coming out in some of the initial posts.

I realize that cops are in danger on a regular basis, but thats exactly why they have the procedures they have. It's done in order to minimize danger.

Procedures only go so far in real life. There are exceptions to every rule and no rules for most exceptions.

Anyhow, I've made the point, arguing it any further would be redundent.

d'okie dokie.

[MannyIsGod]

The story is short on details. I find it interesting that people subconsciously fill in the blanks in ways consistent with their political beliefs, in order to make this look either like a justifiable shooting or a case of police brutality. Good mental exercise.

One person was doing that. I don't think anyone else is arguing that it wasn't a justifiable shooting.

[Clandestino]

Who's siding with him?

Like I said, I'm not a cop, but I think he ed up. According to RO, the cop may have done what he did because "he was just jerking off". Last time I checked, my mexican ass has been thrown into the back of a police car during a traffic stop before for no reason other than a cops "saftey", yet now cops are making judgement calls about people they know nothing about?

Yeah, I'm not siding with the guy in any way, and he's the only one to blame in this situation. But you're mistaken if you think the cop took the right move in this situation. If the guy refused to come out of his vehicle, he should have pulled his weapon on him and called for backup instead of putting himself in danger by assuming the guy wasn't dangerous. Because well, it turned out he was.

I simply don't see a scenario where you put yourself in danger like the cop did is part of protocall. And I the outcome of the actions makes my point pretty damn well.

if the cop had pullled his gun to get him out of his car for jacking off manny would be the first person to say it was bull and excessive force.

[The Ressurrected One]

i mean, the bottomline is, somehow the cop ed up real bad to get himself hurt and the other guy dead

Why would it necessarily translate into a up by the cop?

Contrary to popular belief among idiots, criminals do not all behave in a prescribed or predictable manner.

Your premise discounts the fate of the state trooper who, after pulling over an elderly man for a seat belt violation, never finished his traffic stop radio call-in before he was being fired upon by that same old man with an assault rifle.

Your premise discounts the fate of the city officer who after wrestling an enraged man off his nearly unconscious wife is stabbed in the neck by the woman he just rescued.

oh, and just to be clear, j-ing it a parking lot is not something one should be doing

Something you learned from experience?

[Useruser666]

i agree with manny on
how in the did the cop get his hand in an open car door

i don't understand

was the guy's window broken or something and he couldn't roll it down?

also, the jackoffer must have been driving Real Real slow if the cop was able to free himself from the car, shoot himself in the hand, and then shoot the jackoffer in the head

seems to me that the cop got 'flustrated' (to use a term coined by my hs football coach) bc he got his hand slammed in the door (probably bc of his own stupidity), so he whipped out his gun and managed to shoot himself inthe hand..this probably pissed him off/freaked him out, and he just aimed at the guys head and that's ghost

that's my mm qb take on the whole thing

as someone said earlier, why didn't he get the license plate number
the jacker would've been ed for 'assaulting an officer' and 'evading arrest'

See the problem that has been haunting this thread is that people don't know what the happened and still take huge leaps in adding what they think happened.

The officer didn't free himself and then shot the suspect. The officer's hand was stuck in the door while the suspect was trying to flee in the car. The officer tried to free himself and then went for his gun. While he was being dragged the officer first shot himself and then the suspect in the head. From the article I gathered all the shots were fired while the officer was being dragged. I don't think it's very easy to shot someone while your being dragged by a car with your hand slammed in the door! The cop may not have even been aiming for the suspects head, or maybe he was. Does anyone think this was an instance of a cop walking up to a guy and just shooting him in the head?

Here's a senario:

Someone sees a guy exposing himself at a shopping center.

They report it to an off duty cop who is working security at a nearby shop.

The cop goes over and sees they guy as pointed out by the original witness.

The cop goes over and confronts the individual.

The cop identifies himself to the suspect, and asks him to step out of his vehicle.

The man refuses and/ or is unresponsive.

The cop again calls the man out of his car.

The man ignores the cop, and is moving around on the front seat.

The cop approaches the driver side door and opens it, calling the suspect to exit the vehicle.

The man tries to start the car and the officer goes for the keys.

The man is able to get the car in gear and begins to drag the cop as he tries to flee. While the cop is holding on, trying not to slip, the man slams the car door on the cops hand. This pins the cop to the car.

The cop tries to get his hand free, but it is stuck and he is being dragged by the car.

With his free hand, the cop draws his weapon and fires hitting his own and once.

The cop fires a second time striking the man driving the car in the head.

The car comes to a stop after hitting an obsticle.

The man at the wheel is dead and the cop has suffered several injuries.




Now that story is just as possible as any other. Of course it coul have been a cop walked up to the guy, opened his car door and tried to give him an extra hand. The guy freaked and the cop tried shooting him, but shot himself once in the process. I'd wait for more info on this one.

[The Ressurrected One]

i agree with manny on
how in the did the cop get his hand in an open car door

i don't understand

was the guy's window broken or something and he couldn't roll it down?

also, the jackoffer must have been driving Real Real slow if the cop was able to free himself from the car, shoot himself in the hand, and then shoot the jackoffer in the head

Who said the officer's hand was freed before he started firing? I suspect he was still trapped in the door which his why he shot himself in the hand and the perp in the head. It's hard to aim while you're being drug along side a car, screaming, and praying not to die.

seems to me that the cop got 'flustrated' (to use a term coined by my hs football coach) bc he got his hand slammed in the door (probably bc of his own stupidity), so he whipped out his gun and managed to shoot himself inthe hand..this probably pissed him off/freaked him out, and he just aimed at the guys head and that's ghost

that's my mm qb take on the whole thing

Well, at least we know how an idiot thinks.

as someone said earlier, why didn't he get the license plate number
the jacker would've been ed for 'assaulting an officer' and 'evading arrest'

I'm betting he already had the license plate number...

[Clandestino]

my main problem is that no one here knows what happened and yet they side with the criminal! dumbasses!

[bigzak25]

no one is 'siding with the criminal' fellas.

the constable ed up by putting himself in a position to get his hand caught in the first place. he's shot and the suspect is dead because of it.

it's over now, but i doubt law enforcement will be using this case as an example of "what to do when you catch a pervert in the parking lot" anytime soon.

[Bandit2981]

it's over now, but i doubt law enforcement will be using this case as an example of "what to do when you catch a pervert in the parking lot" anytime soon.

Reasons not to Masturbate:
1. You'll go blind
2. You'll grow hair on your palms
3. A cop will shoot you in the head

[Clandestino]

no one is 'siding with the criminal' fellas.

the constable ed up by putting himself in a position to get his hand caught in the first place. he's shot and the suspect is dead because of it.

it's over now, but i doubt law enforcement will be using this case as an example of "what to do when you catch a pervert in the parking lot" anytime soon.

sounds like YOU are siding with the criminal big fell.

[The Ressurrected One]

no one is 'siding with the criminal' fellas.

the constable ed up by putting himself in a position to get his hand caught in the first place. he's shot and the suspect is dead because of it.

it's over now, but i doubt law enforcement will be using this case as an example of "what to do when you catch a pervert in the parking lot" anytime soon.

You know, he ceased being a pervert and took on the new, improved le of "attempted capital murderer," when he depressed the accelerator.

I'd say it very well could be used to demonstrate how to survive such a cir stance.