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Rumor has it the guy never saw the cop ming.
UPDATED: Man shot in head at Quarry Market dies
Web Posted: 05/13/2005 09:36 PM CDT
San Antonio Express-News and KENS 5 Eyewitness News
MySanAntonio.comAn off-duty constable working security at the Alamo Quarry Market shot a man in the head and himself in the hand after confronting the man as he fondled himself in the parking lot this afternoon, police said.
The man, whose iden y was not being immediately released, was taken by helicopter to an area hospital. He died around 7 p.m., San Antonio police spokesman Sgt. Gabe Trevino said.
An ambulance was transporting the constable to a local hospital. His injuries were not life-threatening.
The incident occurred at about 4 p.m. in the Quarry parking lot outside of Old Navy and Whole Foods.
Trevino said the Precinct 4 constable responded to a complaint about a man in a black vehicle masturbating in the parking lot.
When the constable confronted the man, he slammed the door shut on the constable's hand and began dragging the officer with him, Trevino said.
The constable then began to fire his weapon, shooting himself once in the hand. He managed to free himself from the car door and shoot the motorist in the head. The motorist had continued driving, slamming the car into other vehicles, Trevino said.
The shooting disrupted business as usual at the Quarry Market.
"People are definitely scared," said Brenna Kuykendall, an employee at Old Navy. "It's very choatic here. There are a ton of police officers. There's a lot of noise and confusion going on."
Kuykendall said she didn't realize what was going on until she heard the wail of the sirens.
"I didn't hear any (gunshots) because at Old Navy our music is so loud," she said.
Kuykendall said police were not allowing any customers to exit the store for safety purposes.
Another shooting in the Quarry Market parking lot, this one just after midnight, took another man's life in February 2002.
So the guy is tossing a load in his car in public, a off-duty cop sneeks up on him and tries to reach in and open the car door, and gets his hand somehow stuck in the car in the process. When the guy tries to gun it out of there he 'accidentialy' drags the off-duty cop with him. The cop opens fire.
End result: Cop shoots self in hand and suspect is dead with his pants still around his ankles.
Moral to the story: Geez, don't bother a dude when he's tossing a load.
Rumor has it the guy never saw the cop ming.
I like the way you just make up Nbadan...
Moral to the story? Don't try to kill a cop.
The suspect was unarmed....how did he try to kill him?
Talk about making up stuff.
"I didn't hear any (gunshots) because at Old Navy our clothes are so incredibly ty," she said.
I didn't make anything up.
He wasn't unarmed, he had a 2,000 pound weapon.When the constable confronted the man, he slammed the door shut on the constable's hand and began dragging the officer with him, Trevino said.
ressurrected one youre a dummy.
thats right a dummy
dummy
In this case the car was not intended to be a weapon.....the man was physically harming no one....the officer did not try to talk the person to calmly giving up....he reached in and grabbed the suspect. The officer did not appear to be threatened initially....using his firearm in the case seems to be a little over-reacting.......this type of infraction, noone should have been hurt, let alone killed.
It is similar if one was pulled over for a minor traffic violation and the officer reached in and tried to grab you without a real explaination.
Granted......the suspect shouldn't have been doing what he was doing, where he was doing it.
There have been many incidents I have seen where a patrol car will use his light to break the law....
Example:
I have seen numerous times when a patrol car will be at a red light turn his lights on run the light and immediately turn them off again when he through the intersection.....the officer will be in no hurry no even going the speed limit so you can be sure there was no emergency.
I have seen who knows how many times an officer flyin 90+ mph on the freeway with no emergency lights cutting in and out of traffic.....if he is on a call he must have his lights on....if an accident accurs he could be held liable.
They very often use the badge to bypass some basic laws and put the public at risk. Yes they have a hard, dangerous job, but they should increase the danger for themsleves and the public just because it may be fun.
plus he's off-duty
even if i had the genius idea to J-it in a parking lot, if some chode reached inside i'd probably speed off too
From what I understand this guy already had been charged once with indencent exposure. Still, he was busted in the parking lot since there were witnesses. Don't want to second guess anyone, but wouldn't just tapping on the window have accomplished the same thing?
Dude slammed the police officers hand in the car door and tried to leave with the police officer stuck in the door, dragging him behind.
Good riddiance to bad rubbish. bird was caught with indencency with a child before. He got off light.
I keep hearing that, but still waiting on proof his charge was against a minor. Either way, being charged with something is much different than being convicted. Just ask Michael Jackson. I agree that this guy was on a bad road, but even the worst of us deserve the benefit of the doubt. This is why we have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.Good riddiance to bad rubbish. bird was caught with indencency with a child before. He got off light.
What we are talking about in this thread though, is whether this incident could have been avoided, and whether there may be some legal liability on the part of the mall. Remembering that in civil cases, the burden of proof is greatly diminished
I understand that he had been charged and convicted of indecent exposure once. And another incident he was charged (and later charges were dropped) on indecent exposure to a minor.I keep hearing that, but still waiting on proof his charge was against a minor.
That's not proof, but it's just what I heard.
If he knew the police officer was trapped in the door and continued to drive, that's trying to kill him.
I see a lot of assumptions in the posts...all the article says is that the officer "confronted" (not snuck up on) him and that he slammed the door on the officer's hand and drove off...
You don't have any report on how much time transpired between the confrontation and the slamming and driving off. Could have been a couple of minutes, during when the perp decided he didn't want to go to jail and tried to flee. We don't know.
What we do know is if he drove off with a man's hand pinned in the door, he knew it and, to continue driving would result in the pinned man's serious injury or death. I'll make an assumption here...
The constable was screaming his freakin' head off trying to get the bas to stop and release his hand and it was only after repeated attempts to do so that he pulled his weapon and tried to disable the idiot -- shooting himself in the hand in the process.
Where in the article does it say the officer was screaming? Nowhere! Now you are creating statements that aren't there.
I see a lot of assumptions in the posts...all the article says is that the officer "confronted" (not snuck up on) him and that he slammed the door on the officer's hand and drove off...
If one is confronted with no being aware someone is there that is sneaking up on you.....think of a teenager smoking in his room when his parents come crashing through the bedroom door.....is that confronting or sneaking....it depends on the point of view.
We do know the officer's hand was caught in the door....we don't however know that the suspect knew that it was there......we can only assume that probably did.....but that is not anyones place unless you are on a jury.What we do know is if he drove off with a man's hand pinned in the door, he knew it and, to continue driving would result in the pinned man's serious injury or death. I'll make an assumption here...
So you assume that it was malicious because even though you don't know the facts in the incident such as time......"could have been a couple of minutes"....and you complain about people assuming.You don't have any report on how much time transpired between the confrontation and the slamming and driving off. Could have been a couple of minutes, during when the perp decided he didn't want to go to jail and tried to flee. We don't know.
And you were there? (I'm assuming, of course).So you assume that it was malicious because even though you don't know the facts in the incident such as time......"could have been a couple of minutes"....and you complain about people assuming.
There was poor judgement all around here.
The bottom line is that you shouldn't be jacking off in the Quarry parking lot. While that doesn't mean you deserve to die, it ultimately put a series of events in motion in which the officer did the right thing.
If I'm the cop, and it's either me, or a criminal trying to get away, I know who I'm going to side with.
However, the cop also made bad judgement in how he handled the situation. He should never have been in a position to get his hand stuck in the door in that manner. Whether he snuck up on him, confronted him outright, it doesn't matter. He was obviously overzealous with illusions of dragging this guy off to jail.
You couple the actions of an idiot with that overzealousness, and you have what happend on Friday.
Abso inglutely. That pisses me off to no end.
I agree and disagree.
The part I disagree with, and only because the facts aren't there to us, is the cop's bad judgement. We don't know what happened, and we don't know how it played out. The cop may have been overzealous, like you said. However, there are probably a whole lot of things that took place that we don't know. Maybe the guy in the car said something to make the cop feel threatened. There are probably some things that transpired to make the cop feel the need to end up in the situation he did. But, like you said, maybe the cop was disgusted and overzealous, and didn't use proper judgement.
But, the part I really agree with is, it doesn't matter what events lead up to the climax. The fact is, the guy dragged a police officer with his car, putting the cop's life in danger. The cop had to do something to save his life. Could it have been handled differently from the beginning? Probably. But, it wasn't. It escalated to the point, how is irrelevant, to where the cop had to use lethal force. And he made the right decision.
Either way, it's gotten to the point where you can't jerk off anywhere in public any more.
In the strictest application of the law, the moment the cop had his hand slammed in the door it was assault and he had the right to defend himself.
And yeah, some cops suck and abuse their power. That doesn't mean this guy deserves to get raked over the coals for what he did.
No one knows if the cop overreacted or not. All we know is hearsay. The guy was possibly exposing himself. A cop went to investigate. In the process the cop was dragged by the man in his car. The cop shot the man in the head killing him.
You guys give me a situtation where a cop is supposed to open up a suspects car door and put himself in danger.
Now, I'm not an expert on police procedure by any means, but I can't think of any situation where a cop doesn't ask the person in question to step out of the vehicle instead of opening a door for this very reason.
or at least yell, "both hands where i can see them!"
Preceding sentence in my post, "I'll make an assumption here..."
Pay attention cherylsteele.
And, if my teenager slammed to door on my hand and then leaned against the door, I'd kick it in...and, he might get injured.
You're making the assumption the masturbator just took off. Apparently, the door was opened as some time during the "confrontation," and, therefore, it lasted more than just a split second.
But, even if it didn't, I can assure you the constable didn't reach for his gun first. He tried to free his hand, and after being unsuccessful, he started trying to stop the car. For all we know he didn't intend to shoot the driver... , I'm sure he didn't intend to shoot his own hand. For all you and I know he was trying to shoot through the dashboard.
How clear is your head while your pinned to a moving, accelerating vehicle? If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's the cop.
Oh please. You're saying you wouldn't be screaming bloody murder if you had your hand caught in a door and the driver took off? Are you saying that if you drove off in a car after slamming your friends hand in the door, you wouldn't notice her trying to run alongside screaming, "STOP CHERYL! STOP, I'M ING TRAPPED IN THE DOOR!!!?" Are you that dense and unaware?
I was arguing the opposite assumption. And, yeah, I find it incredibly hard to believe - after 25 years in or associated with law enforcement - the driver had no clue there was a person trapped in his door.
Who said the cop opened the door?
Well, I know of a few situations where the officer would open the door -- but, that doesn't mean this is what happened here. And, besides, how the door got opened is of less consequence than at what point it was closed.
I suspect the violator was asked to exit the vehicle and when it became apparent to the officer that he was contemplating rabbitting, and yes there is an intuition that kicks in - you can see it on the person's face - the officer went for the ignition key, (instead of drawing his weapon and ordering the man out of the vehicle because, well it was just a perv.). The person then slammed the door and tried to speed off...everything after that was probably a slow-motion blur to both of them.
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