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Nice. I made the mistake of buying the series on standard DVD thinking they wouldn't release it on Bluray.
Did you check out the recent remake on A&E? It wasn't as good as the original but it was decent.
nice avatar. I am watching the prisioner blurays these days
Nice. I made the mistake of buying the series on standard DVD thinking they wouldn't release it on Bluray.
Did you check out the recent remake on A&E? It wasn't as good as the original but it was decent.
I can say it because I prefaced the statement with IMHO, which of course stands for In My Humble Opinion.
And there is a big difference between being being a 'foreign born' player and being an 'international' player. Duncan may be foreign born, but I personally would not consider him international. Other than growing up on a US territorial island, his life is unremarkedly American in nature.
I guess I don't understand where you ended up. So you didn't include Duncan in the mix? Or do you think, IYHO, that Dream had a better career?
I'm not sure I see a big distinction between the the two in terms of catagorizing them. Both were born in foreign countries and started off in different sports. Both picked up bball at the age of 15 or so. Both played college ball here in the states before the NBA. Is it because Hakeem sounds African when he speaks?
No, I don't include Duncan in the mix. The USVI has been a US territory since some time around WWI, so somewhere close to 100 years. While the territory does have a level of autonomous goverment, they are not their own country. They all have US citizenship as well as an elected representative in the US Congress.
This concept of being foreign born is a technicalilty that serves the purpose of debates like this one. I've frankly never understood the insistence to consider him an international player. He is one of the greatest ever to play the game and doesn't need that qualification.
But hey, it makes for discussion during the off season, and I'll never refuse a beer from someone who doesn't agree with me on this point.
Good call on Sabonis. Anyone old enough to have seen him play in his prime realized he could have dominated in the league early in his career had he gotten the opportunity.
I would say this , Manu is the winningest international player of all time. Who can match his resume. 3 NBA rings, 1 euro le , 1 Olympic Gold , runner up world championships.
I don't know. You make a good arugment. But I don't think growing up in the Virgin Islands is the same as growing up in the U.S. And it's not like he moved over here in middle school or anything. I just don't see much technical difference between TD and Hakeem.
Duncan's status as an international player is effected by a mere technicality.
Is "effected" and "affected" the same technicality you are talking about?
Wait, are you saying he should or should not be regarded as an international player?
What does the NBA consider him?
Yes. Pardon my, very rare, grammatical error. Nice catch, monkey.
Does the NBA make those types of designations? My point was an affirmation of the position that while the Virgin Islands are a U.S. controlled province, they are still, comparatively, very foreign. As to which anyone who has spent time in the Caribbean can attest.
I'm not sure. From this comment at Wikipedia, it seems like they might, "Note: Even though Joakim Noah has a French passport, he is not considered an "international" player by the NBA because he was born in New York...." But I'm too lazy to follow up by checkign more reliable sources.
I agree with you on the point about the Caribbean. If Nash is considered an international player (which he is), then Duncan shoud be as well.
Tim Duncan - one of the top 10 international players ever.
i have not seen all players listed above, but from my knowledge duncan and the dream are in a league of their own. you could make various points for all others, but those two remain at the top.
also, if you had the option to play with duncan-dirk-parker vs. duncan-manu-parker, most nba fans (not sa fans, but nba fans in general) would pick the first option by a landslide. let's remind ourselves that the spurs won 4 les without any other player other than timmy finishing in top 15 (first 3 all-nba teams) for that season. having dirk on our team would have been huge, as duncan would have anchored the defense and dirk (while not being a defensive presence, is not a liability when guarding the second best opponent PF/C) would have shared the scoring burden.
There some major differences between Noah and Tim for instance, Tim played for USA and Noah is playing for France.
So, Noah is an international player, Tim is not.
I wasn't comparing Noah with Timmy. I just quoted the sentence for the wording,
"he is not considered an "international" player by the NBA"
because it inferrs that the NBA does make some distinction.
Nash like Noah is considered an "international" player because he played for Canada. Tim is not an "international" player because he played for tem USA.
that was my point.
By that definition Hakeem is not an an international player. He played for the USA in 1996 and never played for Nigeria.
you are a fool
dirk is way better then manu
and gasol is better then manu to
USA guard Trevor Coone dunks over the U.S. Virgin Islands’ Merwin Potter during the United States’ victory in its opening game of the FIBA Americas U18 Championships for Men at Greehey Arena. IVAN PIERRE AGUIRRE/[email protected]
In FIBA, the Virgin Islands competes at all levels (men's and women's teams) in the Americas Zone.
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Tim could have played for the Virgin Islands or USA national teams. The Virgin Islands was not a top 10 FIBA Americas team like Team USA was and Timmy decided to play for Team USA, after considering both options.
The NBA did produce a list of "International Players" a few years ago and Timmy was listed, along with Raja Bell, as international players with the US Virgin Islands. Link: http://www.nba.com/players/internati...directory.html
Virgin Islands are not a sovereign country as far as I recall thus being a dependent territory. Being from it does not make you anything else than a US citizen... Just like Guadeloupe for french... (they have a soccer national team there also despite being a french territory).
Correct, they are not a country. The USVI is a US Territory, as is Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. They can't vote in Presidential elections but they have US citizenship. Although the Virgin Islands were purchased for slightly more than what Tim Duncan makes in 1 season, they are still considered in the basketball community as a separate en y...an international team. Are they foreign? That's open for debate.
Yeah very much open... I personally consider what we call DOM-TOM resident being 100% french despite their soil just being a remainder of the colonization.
Well, IMO he should not be considered like an international player.
Dirk, Nash, Noah, TP... are and tim, hakeem are not.
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