Petraeus: Burning Koran Puts American Lives 'in Jeopardy'

[Yonivore]

What Muslims? Where?

I believe I linked an article earlier in this or another thread on the topic. Feel free to google.

[Yonivore]

I didn't see religion in that quote.

You're correct, you didn't.

It's reasonable to assume an American will become so incensed over the building of the mosque -- particularly if they believe it is meant to be a offense -- that they will attempt to do something in response.

However, please note, I did say it was less likely that a Muslim committing a similar act in response to a burning Koran.

[ChumpDumper]

You're correct, you didn't.

It's reasonable to assume an American will become so incensed over the building of the mosque -- particularly if they believe it is meant to be a offense -- that they will attempt to do something in response.

An offense on what grounds?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Not everyone believes the building of a mosque at Ground Zero is a peaceful act. In fact, there are Muslims who are calling it an act of fitna -- in essence, rubbing our noses in the Muslim victory there.

But, to your point, I wasn't equating the two; I was pointing out there are extreme individuals who equate the two and, therefore, the acts could lead to similar outcomes.

Granted, there are more extreme Muslims that are unable to get their minds around the concept of a Koran being a simple book of paper and ink than there are extreme Americans that would act on the fitna provocation but, nonetheless, that is the analogy I was making.

And, you'll note, I did so to correct another person flawed logic that both would lead to harm to American soldiers.

Is isn't even remotely related. The muslims building this particular mosque have claimed nothing about rubbing anyones nose on anything. Until they do, it doesn't matter what other Muslims claim it is, they're not the ones building it.

You can't hold Muslims in general responsible for what other people did. The building of this mosque isn't in and of itself an offensive act, at all. Unless you start assuming things for which you have no evidence what so ever. The burning of a Koran has offense as its sole purpose.

If we were to follow your logic, then maybe people should stop acting paranoid and delusional about this since it could be construed as a product of 9/11 and regarded as a victory by Muslim terrorists. After all, what better reason to feel victorious for a terrorist than seeing your enemy act unreasonably paranoid because of what you did to them?

[Blake]

I didn't see religion in that quote.

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[Blake]

I believe I linked an article earlier in this or another thread on the topic. Feel free to google.

Na, you don't sound 100% confident in yourself. I'd rather ask you what you mean here and now.

[Yonivore]

Is isn't even remotely related.

Your opinion and, one not shared by everyone...

Makes the rest of your post irrelevant to the argument. We obviously disagree.

[Yonivore]

Na, you don't sound 100% confident in yourself. I'd rather ask you what you mean here and now.

Lazy.

I'm 100% confident I read and posted an article about Muslims calling the building of a mosque at Ground Zero and act of fitna.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Your opinion and, one not shared by everyone...

Makes the rest of your post irrelevant to the argument. We obviously disagree.

ok, explain this to me.

Have the muslims building this mosque said anything about this being a victory for Islam against America?

Have they done anything other than express support for the victims of 9/11 and their families and even speak against terrorism, Muslim or otherwise?

[Blake]

Lazy.

Yes you are.

How hard is it to say where these Muslims are located?

I'm 100% confident I read and posted an article about Muslims calling the building of a mosque at Ground Zero and act of fitna.

link?

[Yonivore]

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The assertion there was no religion mentioned was in response to ChumpDumper's stupid comment about Americans becoming religious terrorists.

Try to keep up, Blake.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Is isn't even remotely related. The muslims building this particular mosque have claimed nothing about rubbing anyones nose on anything. Until they do, it doesn't matter what other Muslims claim it is, they're not the ones building it.

You can't hold Muslims in general responsible for what other people did. The building of this mosque isn't in and of itself an offensive act, at all. Unless you start assuming things for which you have no evidence what so ever. The burning of a Koran has offense as its sole purpose.

If we were to follow your logic, then maybe people should stop acting paranoid and delusional about this since it could be construed as a product of 9/11 and regarded as a victory by Muslim terrorists. After all, what better reason to feel victorious for a terrorist than seeing your enemy act unreasonably paranoid because of what you did to them?

It's very simple. The reason why most people are against the mosque being built there is because the hijackers were muslims. They feel it's insensitive because it is a Muslim place of worship.

[Yonivore]

Yes you are.

How hard is it to say where these Muslims are located?

As hard as Googling it and finding it for yourself.

I've done it once. Your turn.

link?

link

[ChumpDumper]

The assertion there was no religion mentioned was in response to ChumpDumper's stupid comment about Americans becoming religious terrorists.

Try to keep up, Blake.

Blake showed conclusively religion was indeed mentioned.

Try to keep up with your own Islamophobia, yoni.

[DarrinS]

What the are you talking about?

Are you equating the building of a mosque to burning the koran? are you saying they have the same purpose in essence?

one is a deliberate act to insult the Muslim religion, the other is the construction of a peaceful place of worship.

Well, that's what they claim.

[ChumpDumper]

It's very simple. The reason why most people are against the mosque being built there is because the hijackers were muslims. They feel it's insensitive because it is a Muslim place of worship.

See? You didn't mention the word "religion" so it isn't about religion!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well, that's what they claim.

do you have any proof otherwise?

[Yonivore]

ok, explain this to me.

Have the muslims building this mosque said anything about this being a victory for Islam against America?

No but, Did the Democrats tell you Obamacare was going to cost trillions?

Does anyone generally tip their hand when they're trying to pull a fast one?

Many in the Muslim world see this as a victory mosque.

Have they done anything other than express support for the victims of 9/11 and their families and even speak against terrorism, Muslim or otherwise?

Yes, called people who oppose the building hateful Islamophobes - including those who lost family members in the 9-11 attacks. Not exactly a compassionate dialogue.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, that's what they claim.

What do you think it is, DarrinS?

[George Gervin's Afro]

No but, Did the Democrats tell you Obamacare was going to cost trillions?

Does anyone generally tip their hand when they're trying to pull a fast one?

Many in the Muslim world see this as a victory mosque.


Yes, called people who oppose the building hateful Islamophobes - including those who lost family members in the 9-11 attacks. Not exactly a compassionate dialogue.

So NO ONE has ever made the claim...

[ChumpDumper]

No but, Did the Democrats tell you Obamacare was going to cost trillions?

Yes.

Does anyone generally tip their hand when they're trying to pull a fast one?

Many in the Muslim world see this as a victory mosque.

Do you believe this is what "they" are doing in this case?

Yes or no.

Yes, called people who oppose the building hateful Islamophobes - including those who lost family members in the 9-11 attacks. Not exactly a compassionate dialogue.

If there was any reason besides Islamophobia you guys could come up with, we have yet to see it.

[Yonivore]

So NO ONE has ever made the claim...

No one associated with the mosque. Not that I'm aware of, not publicly.

What's your point?

Do you think if they did, it would be easier to get the complex built?

And, let's say the builders are being honest. What if the mosque becomes a "mecca" for extremist Muslims that turn it into a "victory" mosque and an act of fitna?

As I've said before, common decency would dictate the organizers just move it somewhere else. They can't control 100% of their co-religionists and we already know there is a pretty big contingent that sees this construction as a victory mosque and act of fitna.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

No but, Did the Democrats tell you Obamacare was going to cost trillions?

Does anyone generally tip their hand when they're trying to pull a fast one?

Many in the Muslim world see this as a victory mosque.

In other words, you have absolutely no evidence this mosque is what you claim it is. In fact, you just fear it could be.

Yes, called people who oppose the building hateful Islamophobes - including those who lost family members in the 9-11 attacks. Not exactly a compassionate dialogue.

Well, you know what? when people can't provide a rational explanation for why they don't want a muslim mosque there, its kind of hard to believe that it is NOT Islamophobia.

I have yet to read a reasonable explanation for peoples complaints. Sensitivity towards the family's of the victims isn't enough to curtail Muslim's right to worship, specially when these Muslims have been nothing but peaceful and for all anyone knows, have nothing to do with the extremists responsible for 9/11.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No one associated with the mosque. Not that I'm aware of, not publicly.

What's your point?

Do you think if they did, it would be easier to get the complex built?

And, let's say the builders are being honest. What if the mosque becomes a "mecca" for extremist Muslims that turn it into a "victory" mosque and an act of fitna?

As I've said before, common decency would dictate the organizers just move it somewhere else. They can't control 100% of their co-religionists and we already know there is a pretty big contingent that sees this construction as a victory mosque and act of fitna.

Common decency would give them the benefit of the doubt since none of them had anything to do with 9/11. The only relation they have to the hijackers is they share the same faith...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

No one associated with the mosque. Not that I'm aware of, not publicly.

What's your point?

Do you think if they did, it would be easier to get the complex built?

And, let's say the builders are being honest. What if the mosque becomes a "mecca" for extremist Muslims that turn it into a "victory" mosque and an act of fitna?

As I've said before, common decency would dictate the organizers just move it somewhere else. They can't control 100% of their co-religionists and we already know there is a pretty big contingent that sees this construction as a victory mosque and act of fitna.

You've practically admitted you have absolutely no evidence that the intention behind this mosque is to claim some type of victory on behalf of Islam. None what so ever. In other words, you have no point other than to say they should move because you fear other muslims (who happen to be extremists) will think they won...

Do you or do you not see how ridiculous that sounds??