California gives illegal child molester 4.3 million

[Parker2112]

if a dude is doing 6 months for stealing a car he does have a right to serve his time without being raped or having his ass beaten..

you have a right to be free from assault on the street too, but sometimes happens. The state is charged with custody and care, but theres only so much you can do when two grown folks want to go at it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

you have a right to be free from assault on the street too, but sometimes happens. The state is charged with custody and care, but theres only so much you can do when two grown folks want to go at it.

so what about the raping of men in prison? Same line of thinking? What about somebody who is jumped in prison?

[LnGrrrR]

I love the premise behind the OP. If you are a child molester, legally, you should be allowed to be beaten up with no legal recourse.

Not saying I support child molesters or anything, but not saying they lose all rights as soon as they're found guilty, either.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I love the premise behind the OP. If you are a child molester, legally, you should be allowed to be beaten up with no legal recourse.

Not saying I support child molesters or anything, but not saying they lose all rights as soon as they're found guilty, either.

happens..

[Parker2112]

so what about the raping of men in prison? Same line of thinking? What about somebody who is jumped in prison?

If govt officials have reason to know of some danger they have to prevent it. But if the attack is out of the blue, what can you do? There is no such thing as 24-7 surveillance of every person in prison. With patience and sealed lips, anyone can be had in prison. Including security.

[ChumpDumper]

If it is well-known that child molesters are routinely attacked and beaten in this prison system, why are they in the general population?

[CosmicCowboy]

If it is well-known that child molesters are routinely attacked and beaten in this prison system, why are they in the general population?

Because prisons are overcrowded with drug offenders.

[ChumpDumper]

Because prisons are overcrowded with drug offenders.

Law and order types approve.

[Wild Cobra]

That's the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Convicted of child molestation = death sentence. These ers deserve to die anyway. not profit from our legal system.

[jack sommerset]

That's the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Convicted of child molestation = death sentence. These ers deserve to die anyway. not profit from our legal system.

I'm with you on that. If you are stroking some 6 year olds vagina you deserve to die.

[LnGrrrR]

Because prisons are overcrowded with drug offenders.

Hear hear.

[Parker2112]

If it is well-known that child molesters are routinely attacked and beaten in this prison system, why are they in the general population?

convicted crimes aren't publicized to inmates. But some chesters just tend to stand out in a crowd I guess...

And many of the ones that might otherwise stand out as pedophiles will also draw attention as potential victims to other predatory inmates

[LnGrrrR]

I'm with you on that. If you are stroking some 6 year olds vagina you deserve to die.

I think we all agree that he may DESERVE to die, but it doesn't mean we should make it legal for prisoners to beat him up, or that he shouldn't have legal recourse to the system.

[ChumpDumper]

That's the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Convicted of child molestation = death sentence. These ers deserve to die anyway. not profit from our legal system.

Then sentence them accordingly.

convicted crimes aren't publicized to inmates. But some chesters just tend to stand out in a crowd I guess...

And many of the ones that might otherwise stand out as pedophiles will also draw attention as potential victims to other predatory inmates

Gee, you don't think there is any way other inmates can find out?

[Parker2112]

Then sentence them accordingly.

Gee, you don't think there is any way other inmates can find out?

Sure, but if you try to protect all the molesters in the system from the non, you'll cripple the system. Its just not that easy to draw lines in the population.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, but if you try to protect all the molesters in the system from the non, you'll cripple the system. Its just not that easy to draw lines in the population.

Sure it is. That is why there is a general population and other populations in the first place.

As for crippling the system, how many $4.3 million judgments will cripple the system?

[Oh, Gee!!]

there's probably some missing info like the guards being informed a week earlier about the attack and doing nothing to prevent it, or the guards leaking info about the convict's charge to one of the gangs.

[ChumpDumper]

there's probably some missing info like the guards being informed a week earlier about the attack and doing nothing to prevent it, or the guards leaking info about the convict's charge to one of the gangs.

Actually, this blogger flat out lied about Ramirez.

He was not even convicted of any crime at the time of his beating.

A second inmate, awaiting trial on charges of child molestation, was severely beaten in June and has just recently been released -- brain-damaged, according to his family -- after five months in a hospital....

....The Sheriff's Department's decision to pull back protection for child molestation and child pornography possession suspects -- perhaps those most despised by other prisoners -- occurred sometime in the last three years, according to two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the situation.

The two recent incidents have brought attention to the change of policy. Because of the change, inmates at Theo Lacy Jail in Orange were able to fatally beat John Chamberlain, accused of possessing child pornography, on Oct. 5. At the Central Men's Jail in Santa Ana, another group of inmates severely pummeled suspected child molester Fernando Ramirez in June.

"I'm not surprised," said San Francisco Sheriff Michael Hennessey, whose jails segregate those accused of sex crimes involving children. "They are vulnerable, so we treat them as potential targets. "I can imagine how a different policy would create problems."

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/nov...cal/me-jails15

So it looks like populations can be and have been separated.

System crippler!

[Winehole23]

lol @ Parker's weak rationalization on behalf of an incompetent jail.

[jack sommerset]

It would be really sad if he didn't even molest the kid.

[Parker2112]

Sure it is. That is why there is a general population and other populations in the first place.

As for crippling the system, how many $4.3 million judgments will cripple the system?

quite honestly there had to be some other negligence involved. I have personally seen inmates get stabbed and beaten, but I haven't heard of very many of these multi-million dollar judgments resulting. I have had co-workers and family members investigated for excessive uses of force and other complaints, but have never known one to pay out. Maybe that explains the status quo, at least here in Texas. My Dad testified in a wrongful death case where an inmate got shanked on the wreck yard, and he failed to administer CPR because the guy was excreting blood and bile out of his mouth, and nothing ever came of it.

I'm just saying.

[Parker2112]

lol @ Parker's weak rationalization on behalf of an incompetent jail.

There is no legal std that demands that chesters get special protection in jail. They get the same protections as any other member of the population. If the state becomes aware of a threat, they have a duty to step in. Until then, the inmate is vulnerable.

[Oh, Gee!!]

If the state becomes aware of a threat, they have a duty to step in. Until then, the inmate is vulnerable.

Hours before Chamberlain was killed, his public defender, Case Barnett, called jail officials to warn them that his client felt his life was in danger and to urge them to place him in protective custody. He was not moved.

[ChumpDumper]

Beat me to it.

[Parker2112]

I dont read from Fox News Correspondents Blogs.

But, in that case, I would be suprised if those reports could be confirmed/implemented in a few hours. To make it from the Warden's office/agency official down to the actual housing unit takes an eternity. But this was probably the justification for the award, Im sure.